The Early Symphony [Archive] - The Radio 3 Forum

french frank

01-11-11, 21:32

Sunday 6 November 1.00-2.00pm

"Catherine Bott reflects on the trail-blazing work of the pioneering symphonists of the 18th century such as Sammartini, the Stamitz family, Holzbauer, JC Bach, Monn and Wagenseil – and casts her net across many of Europe's major cities: from Milan to Mannheim; Hamburg and Dresden; Paris; Berlin; London; and Vienna.

The programme considers some of the novel innovations that were introduced into the symphony as the century progressed – and by dwelling on some of the music of lesser known composers, it provides a context for the musical world that many have come to associate with Haydn, Mozart and Beethoven."

Serial_Apologist

01-11-11, 21:37

Thanks for this prompt, FF. I missed the broadcast of CPE Bach's first symphony the other day, and will certainly be listening.

S-A

doversoul

01-11-11, 23:03

This may look as if it is going rather too far to some members but this is after all Early Music show :smiley:

Saturday 5 November
The Early Music discovers the origins of Symphony, as part of Radio 3's month long celebration.
We all know what is now called a Symphony, but the term has had many varied uses. Lucie Skeaping tracks down the origins of the Symphonie and encounters medieval Hurdy-Gurdys, Spinets and Virginals, a tale that the Dulcimer is as old as the bible and a royal wedding, not to mention a whole host of overtures, interludes, sonatas, canzonas and concertos

MickyD

02-11-11, 08:19

Thanks for this doversoul, these look like two fascinating programmes. If anyone else is interested in lesser known 18th century symphonies, the German label CPO has an impressive catalogue to discover.

doversoul

05-11-11, 23:30

Originally posted by Angle on ‘BBC4 Symphony with SRB’ thread.

It was pretty enough to watch but it turned out to be rather better if you simply listened. As an introduction to symphonic form, it wasn't half as good as the Early Music Show today (Saturday).

I hope you don’t mind my quoting your post here.

salymap

06-11-11, 13:29

I am really enjoying this programme doversoul, although I'm not always one for early music. A friend recently sent me a CD of Dutch composers, Fodor and Meder, and their symphonies are really enjoyable. I must listen to more of these programmes, a refreshing change.

vinteuil

06-11-11, 16:19

Much enjoyed this.

I find I have almost no Stamitz on my shelves. Does anyone here have recommendations?

Norfolk Born

06-11-11, 16:28

I've only recently started listening to the Early Music Show - and am starting to realized what I've been missing. CB is an excellent presenter. Today's edition was most enjoyable.

antongould

06-11-11, 16:57

I greatly enjoyed it too - especially the Holzbauer Has anyone and any recommendations?

amcluesent

06-11-11, 17:16

I find I have almost no Stamitz on my shelves. Does anyone here have recommendations?

"Mannheim: The Golden Age" played by Concerto Köln has works by both Johann and Carl Stamitz.
"Early String Symphonies" of J Stamitz, FX Richter played by the New Dutch Academy

especially the Holzbauer Has anyone and any recommendations?

"Five Symphonies" by I Holzbauer played by L'Orfeo Barockorchester, Michi Gaigg

antongould

06-11-11, 17:22

Many thanks - on the Christmas list!

MickyD

06-11-11, 19:16

vinteuil

06-11-11, 19:56

One of the very first period instrument recordings of Stamitz symphonies and a clarinet concerto was by The Academy of Ancient Music back in the 70s...must have been one of their first discs. I was pleased that Decca saw fit to re-release it recently as part of their celebration of the Florilegium label.

MickyD - many thanks for the tip! (I somehow felt I could depend on you... :smiley: ) - I'll sniff out a copy next week...

:rose:

MickyD

07-11-11, 07:57

doversoul

07-11-11, 08:16

Yes, it's worth having, Vinteuil. But bearing in mind the importance of Stamitz in musical history, it really is surprising we don't have more of him in the catalogue. I can't understand why crack bands like Concerto Koln have never made a disc of his symphonies. Or have they?

OP by amcluesent #10

Mannheim: The Golden Age" played by Concerto Köln has works by both Johann and Carl Stamitz
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Mannheim-Golden-Age-Carl-Stamitz/dp/B000031WWG

[ed] there might be some interesting information here. (CoW)
http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b00qp1c3

vinteuil

07-11-11, 09:26

the "Mannheim Golden Age" CD of concerto Koln is also to be found as one of the discs in Conc: Koln's marvellous six CD set ( also incl: Dall'Abaco, Locatelli, Vanhal, Kozeluch, Cannabich, Eberl... )

MickyD

07-11-11, 16:39

Doversoul and Vinteuil - you have just proved that I have too many CDs in my collection, because I do in fact own that Golden Age of Mannheim disc and didn't even remember it featured Stamitz! Or maybe it is age catching up on me.

amcluesent

07-11-11, 22:30

Concerto Koln have also done CDs of concerti\symphonies by Brunetti, Durante, Dussek, Eberl, Kraus, Rigel and Kozeluch if anyone fancies going off the beaten track!

The Clarinet Concerto & 3 symphonies of J Stamitz played by Alan Hacker, Christopher Hogwood & The Academy of Ancient Music is indeed very good. I also like the Five Clarinet Quartets by C Stamitz played by Lajos Rozman & the Authentic Quartet - worth seeking out on Hungaroton

MickyD

08-11-11, 07:19

Yes, I've got all those Concerto Koln discs in my collection and I heartily recommend them all - don't forget the lovely two Field piano concertos they did with Andreas Staier, either.

I re-listened to the Hogwood/Stamitz disc yesterday...I particularly like the "pastoral" symphony. And I was amazed to see the disc was recorded in 1974 - some of the playing is a little rough-edged, but what an achievement for the time when period performances were in their infancy.

Suffolkcoastal

08-11-11, 08:21

I would certainly recommend Leopold Kozeluch, I find his symphonies among the most interesting of the 2nd half of the 18th century.

MickyD

08-11-11, 09:54

For me, the most exciting of those Concerto Koln discs is the one of Vanhal's symphonies - fantastic playing of Sturm und Drang symphonies which has me on the edge of my seat!

aeolium

08-11-11, 11:56

The Afternoon on 3 yesterday contained some good performances of early symphonies - especially the symphonies of W F and J C Bach.

Panjandrum

08-11-11, 12:47

The Afternoon on 3 yesterday contained some good performances of early symphonies - especially the symphonies of W F and J C Bach.I'd like to hear this, but I have an allergic reaction when I see the name Katie Derham associated with a programme; can she be tolerated in this?

doversoul

08-11-11, 13:08

I'd like to hear this, but I have an allergic reaction when I see the name Katie Derham associated with a programme; can she be tolerated in this?

Count sheep while she talks. If you want to know more about the works played, just ask here. You’ll get more information than you can possibly process :biggrin:

Word

08-11-11, 13:22

Or try listening with an open mind? :erm:

doversoul

08-11-11, 13:55

This is now the longest running thread on the EMS board (with more than TWENTY posts :smiley:). Let’s not turn it into another Katie Derham thread. Personal likes and dislikes are what they are. We just have to accept it (them?).

doversoul

08-11-11, 15:06

A rather unusual combination. Ao3 today.

C P E Bach: Symphony in D major, Wq. 183 no. 1
BBC Scottish Symphony Orchestra
Ilan Volkov
http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b016vn6c

Eine Alpensinfonie

28-05-12, 14:59

Revisiting the thread reminds me of a concert in the Free Trade Hall, Manchester in the 1960s. I think it was a "special" concert rather than a run-of-the-mill Halle series concert. Furthermore, I think it was the LSO with a young Lorin Maazel. The concert ended with Sibelius 1, but there were two pieces in the first half, one of which was labelled "Surprise Item" and was introduced by a "celebrity" :sadface:. The work turned out to be a Stamitz symphony and was much appreciated by the audience.