Schoenberg: Erwartung text required

[Stanfordian]

I am after the full texts of Schoenberg's Erwartung both in German and an English translation. I will be grateful if anyone can point me in the right direction.

[umslopogaas]

I have two. One is in my LP set 'Music of AS volume 1': its a translation by Bliss Hebert and Constance Mellen from the german of Marie Pappenheim. The other is in a booklet accompanying the Philips CD, with Jesse Norman and might be by Lionel Salter, but that isnt completely clear. I'd be happy to send you photocopies, but its too long to type out here and anyway, I suspect there might be copyright issues. All I need is a postal address (no need to post your real name, since most of us prefer to hide behind our pseudonyms). Maybe a work address, if you'd prefer not to give your home one (in which case you probably do need to post your real name, unless its a very small business)? Over to you.

[Petrushka]

The Arnold Schoenberg Center website is one of the best composer websites I know. Here it is (and you get a recorded performance too): http://www.schoenberg.at/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=186&Itemid=361&lang=en

[Flosshilde]

That only seems to have the German, unless I'm not seeing the link for an English translation.

[amateur51]

That only seems to have the German, unless I'm not seeing the link for an English translation."Beef Oven has very good German", a source close to the linguist said tonight :yikes:

Or else have a word with Sir Simon Rattle :biggrin:

[Petrushka]

That only seems to have the German, unless I'm not seeing the link for an English translation.

Oops, sorry! Yes you are right. I can't seem to find an English translation on the web though I do have it with the Boulez and Sinopoli recordings.

[Stanfordian]

I have two. One is in my LP set 'Music of AS volume 1': its a translation by Bliss Hebert and Constance Mellen from the german of Marie Pappenheim. The other is in a booklet accompanying the Philips CD, with Jesse Norman and might be by Lionel Salter, but that isnt completely clear. I'd be happy to send you photocopies, but its too long to type out here and anyway, I suspect there might be copyright issues. All I need is a postal address (no need to post your real name, since most of us prefer to hide behind our pseudonyms). Maybe a work address, if you'd prefer not to give your home one (in which case you probably do need to post your real name, unless its a very small business)? Over to you.

Thank you so much umslopogaas for the kind offer of sending me a photocopy of the text to Schoenberg's Erwartung in the German and most importantly the English for me to understand. I have sent you a private message with my details.

[umslopogaas]

Got it, I'll get on with this as soon as the copier warms up. It'll be a good excuse to listen to it again, I havent played those recordings for ages and its not a work I know well.

[Flosshilde]

Any reommendations for a recording? I've been thinking of getting it after being at the recording of 'Discovering Music' on it. And I'm still waiting for the programme to be broadcast.

[ferneyhoughgeliebte]

Any reommendations for a recording? I've been thinking of getting it after being at the recording of 'Discovering Music' on it. And I'm still waiting for the programme to be broadcast.
This is very good:

http://www.prestoclassical.co.uk/r/Naxos/8557527

... and, it can be argued, is the only "complete" recording of the work available, in that a phrase for solo viola written in the score but omited from the Viola Part, is included "for the first time in any recording". A superb performance, Silja is in excellent voice, the orchestral playing and recording detail is superb, and the dramatic "sweep" Craft achieves is fantastic: a lifetime's love of this work has gone into this. Pretty fine Pelleas und Melisande, too: and look at the price!

But I don't know of any "duff" recordings - it's not a work that performers go to the trouble of recording unless they're totally committed to it: Jessye Norman with Levine (used to be Philips; doesn't seem to be currently available) is very good (orchestral detail is a bit "muddy" in comparison with what Craft gets) and fine honours to Boulez and Janis Marin (Sony) and Rattle with Phyllis Bryn-Julson (EMI). Silja's earlier recording with Christoph von Dohnannyi (which I haven't heard in years: a bit "screechy", I seem to remember) is now coupled with their Wozzeck: rather naughtily showing how much Berg nicked from his teacher!

But I think the Craft is just that little bit more special.

[ahinton]

This is very good:

http://www.prestoclassical.co.uk/r/Naxos/8557527

... and, it can be argued, is the only "complete" recording of the work available, in that a phrase for solo viola written in the score but omited from the Viola Part, is included "for the first time in any recording". A superb performance, Silja is in excellent voice, the orchestral playing and recording detail is superb, and the dramatic "sweep" Craft achieves is fantastic: a lifetime's love of this work has gone into this. Pretty fine Pelleas und Melisande, too: and look at the price!

But I don't know of any "duff" recordings - it's not a work that performers go to the trouble of recording unless they're totally committed to it: Jessye Norman with Levine (used to be Philips; doesn't seem to be currently available) is very good (orchestral detail is a bit "muddy" in comparison with what Craft gets) and fine honours to Boulez and Janis Marin (Sony) and Rattle with Phyllis Bryn-Julson (EMI). Silja's earlier recording with Christoph von Dohnannyi (which I haven't heard in years: a bit "screechy", I seem to remember) is now coupled with their Wozzeck: rather naughtily showing how much Berg nicked from his teacher!

But I think the Craft is just that little bit more special.
Not commercially recorded, sadly, but the best performance I ever heard of this was Jessye Norman with Boulez at the Barbican in London sometime in the 1990s.

[ferneyhoughgeliebte]

Not commercially recorded, sadly, but the best performance I ever heard of this was Jessye Norman with Boulez at the Barbican in London sometime in the 1990s.
Two performances with the LSO 1993(?/4?): I was there, too. And, yes; it was!

[amateur51]

Two performances with the LSO 1993(?/4?): I was there, too. And, yes; it was!Pity our attempts to enthuse the LSO about their unreleased treasure came to nought :sadface:

[ferneyhoughgeliebte]

Pity our attempts to enthuse the LSO about their unreleased treasure came to nought :sadface:
Quite. There was a "partner" concert with the Schoenberg Five Orchestral Pieces, Bartok's First Piano Concerto (with Barenboim) and Le Sacre du Printemps which I'd love to have a recording of, too.

[Flosshilde]

This is very good:

http://www.prestoclassical.co.uk/r/Naxos/8557527

...

Thanks Ferney. However, as it's NAxos I assume that it doesn't include the full text & translation. Which brings us rather full circle :erm:

[ferneyhoughgeliebte]

Thanks Ferney. However, as it's NAxos I assume that it doesn't include the full text & translation. Which brings us rather full circle :erm:
Darn! You're right; it doesn't! The Boulez (SONY) did in the incarnation I have, but might not in its latest release.

Ms Silja's diction is very good, and Craft's realization of Schoenberg's Music makes the meaning perfectly clear ...

... or you could just ask Stan or umsloppy to lend you their photocopy of the translation?

[umslopogaas]

Happy to oblige, you just need to send me a private message with your postal address.

[Petrushka]

Darn! You're right; it doesn't! The Boulez (SONY) did in the incarnation I have, but might not in its latest release.

Ms Silja's diction is very good, and Craft's realization of Schoenberg's Music makes the meaning perfectly clear ...

... or you could just ask Stan or umsloppy to lend you their photocopy of the translation?

The text in the Sinopoli version I have on Elatus has extremely tiny print and unfortunately, in my copy, the pages are in the wrong order! I also have the much more readable text in the Boulez that I picked up second-hand last year.

[ferneyhoughgeliebte]

The text in the Sinopoli version I have on Elatus has extremely tiny print and unfortunately, in my copy, the pages are in the wrong order!
Ooops! :biggrin:

I don't know the Sinopoli (his Second Viennese School boxed set is one of those recordings I've had on my "must get at some stage", but have never yet got round to): how do you rate it, Pet?

[Stanfordian]

I have two. One is in my LP set 'Music of AS volume 1': its a translation by Bliss Hebert and Constance Mellen from the german of Marie Pappenheim. The other is in a booklet accompanying the Philips CD, with Jesse Norman and might be by Lionel Salter, but that isnt completely clear. I'd be happy to send you photocopies, but its too long to type out here and anyway, I suspect there might be copyright issues. All I need is a postal address (no need to post your real name, since most of us prefer to hide behind our pseudonyms). Maybe a work address, if you'd prefer not to give your home one (in which case you probably do need to post your real name, unless its a very small business)? Over to you.

:smiley::smiley::smiley: Hello umslopogaas,

Thank you so much for the text and English translation of Erwartung. You are most kind and your assistance is very much appreciated. Thank you once again.

[umslopogaas]

Pleased to help. I've got a lot of stuff like this, if anyone wants something, post a request. In 7000 LPs there is a lot of incidental information!

[Petrushka]

Ooops! :biggrin:

I don't know the Sinopoli (his Second Viennese School boxed set is one of those recordings I've had on my "must get at some stage", but have never yet got round to): how do you rate it, Pet?

I'm no expert in this repertoire, FHG, but the Sinopoli set (at least in the Elatus reissues I've got) strikes me as being undiscovered treasure and, moreover, recorded in admirably clear sound. I still haven't bought the Gurrelieder as it seemed too expensive at the time and Kubelik is my benchmark here. If the whole box is going cheap I'll take the plunge.

[ferneyhoughgeliebte]

Cheapest I can find it at the moment (I'm sure I've seen it cheaper) is here:

http://www.prestoclassical.co.uk/r/Warner%2BClassics/2564694140


The River people do the MP3 Download at around £15: not so sure about the sound quality here, though.