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underthecountertenor
28-05-12, 12:46
What a fine presenter [Ian Skelly] is. His stand-in for Petroc Trelawny this morning was a model of professionalism and restrained good humour, rounded off by his spontaneous roar of laughter in response to the gun shot at the end of the last track played (finale of the Toy Symphony).
At the risk of sounding chauvinist, I would be very happy if, of the current crop of Breakfast presenters, Skelly and Trelawny were to alternate during the week, with Martin Handley as permanent a fixture as his time allows at the weekends. For me, Sara Mohr-Pietsch has never seemed to be able to find the right, or even an authentic, 'voice' for the programme (even though her talents are amply displayed elsewhere, for example on Hear and Now), and the same applies to Clemency Burton-Hill at weekends.
Of course the programme is plagued by supposedly audience-friendly 'initiatives' which have been discussed at length on these boards, and over which the presenters may well have little control. But I have the impression that Skelly, Trelawny and Handley manage to deal with these far more successfully than the other two. Yet Skelly seems to be sidelined. I wonder why.
Norfolk Born
28-05-12, 15:55
I agree, he's one of the best.
Suffolkcoastal
28-05-12, 21:25
Just a pity for the poor man that he was dumped with a programme of regular breakfast regurgitations. Let us hope that he will be allowed to introduce more interesting fare by the Dear Leader.
Just a pity for the poor man that he was dumped with a programme of regular breakfast regurgitations. Let us hope that he will be allowed to introduce more interesting fare by the Dear Leader.
I look forward to hearing tomorrow how he deals with the second-hand soggy Shreddies :yikes:
James Wonnacott
29-05-12, 06:51
He does that same silly "on ninety to ninety three FM, on line and on digital radio" nonsense as the silly girl does. It has been suggested on here that it's in the house rules to say it but PT never does.
He does that same silly "on ninety to ninety three FM, on line and on digital radio" nonsense as the silly girl does. It has been suggested on here that it's in the house rules to say it but PT never does.
Probably in the same rule book as the even more irritating one which makes them preface every mention of "News" or "Proms" with "BBC". Unnecessary and infuriating!
James Wonnacott
29-05-12, 07:00
Probably in the same rule book as the even more irritating one which makes them preface every mention of "News" or "Proms" with "BBC". Unnecessary and infuriating!
BBC Proms I can understand (they do have a claim on it) but , I agree, they have no claim on the news, they just report it. As you say, infuriating!
french frank
29-05-12, 07:15
I've edited the title under the new rule which asks for presenters' names not to be used in thread titles. What starts out as a compliment can go rapidly downhill and vitiate the motive for the thread.
I believe there are regulations about the regular announcement of station idents.
At the risk of sounding chauvinist, I would be very happy if, of the current crop of Breakfast presenters, Skelly and Trelawny were to alternate during the week, with Martin Handley as permanent a fixture as his time allows at the weekends. For me, Sara Mohr-Pietsch has never seemed to be able to find the right, or even an authentic, 'voice' for the programme .
Well I'm just wondering whether your views are those of the majority of Radio 3 listeners, or the views of an influential minority intent on foisting their tastes on the rest.
I've edited the title under the new rule which asks for presenters' names not to be used in thread titles. What starts out as a compliment can go rapidly downhill and vitiate the motive for the thread.
I believe there are regulations about the regular announcement of station idents.
While I understand the reasons for changing the thread title, I wonder if new readers will find it easy to work out who "he" refers to in the earlier postings.
BBC Proms I can understand (they do have a claim on it)
So does Henry Wood - and that's how they were described in my younger days.
I'm afraid I see it as constant BBC self-publicity.
Just a pity for the poor man that he was dumped with a programme of regular breakfast regurgitations. Let us hope that he will be allowed to introduce more interesting fare by the Dear Leader.
In your breakfast dreams, Suff!
While I understand the reasons for changing the thread title, I wonder if new readers will find it easy to work out who "he" refers to in the earlier postings.
Perhaps the originator or ff could make a small edit to clarify.
While I understand the reasons for changing the thread title, I wonder if new readers will find it easy to work out who "he" refers to in the earlier postings.
I have no idea. Was it Graham Norton? :winkeye:
Norfolk Born
29-05-12, 09:02
I've edited the title under the new rule which asks for presenters' names not to be used in thread titles. What starts out as a compliment can go rapidly downhill and vitiate the motive for the thread.
I believe there are regulations about the regular announcement of station idents.
There are - I occasionally do a guest spot on a local radio station, and have been told that it is a condition of its licence to broadcast that identity details - station name, FM/AM frequency and online address - are broadcast a certain number of times per hour.
I have no idea. Was it Graham Norton? :winkeye:
We might joke about such people being on R3 now, but who knows what depths might eventually be reached?
Don Petter
29-05-12, 09:04
Perhaps the originator or ff could make a small edit to clarify.
No. It's a new quiz: 'Who lives in a thread like this?'
Norfolk Born
29-05-12, 09:10
VodkaDilc: while I don't watch Graham Norton's TV show (and obviously don't watch Eurovision), I greatly enjoy his contributions to 'Just A Minute', where his articulacy, diction and warm personality make for a very pleasurable listening experience. And, for what it's worth, while the lady wife also doesn't watch his TV show, she quite enjoys his 'agony aunt' column in the Saturday Telegraph. I suspect that a fate much worse than Graham can, and indeed may well, befall Radio 3 ere too long, at which people might realize that, as radio presenters go, he is pretty good.
I occasionally do a guest spot on a local radio station
Wherefore are these things hid!? Wherefore have these gifts a curtain before 'em?!
What do you talk about, Norfy? Music? :smiley:
. I suspect that a fate much worse than Graham can, and indeed may well, befall Radio 3 ere too long, at which people might realize that, as radio presenters go, he is pretty good.
To whom might you be referring Norfolk Born??
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wyk06CD4xgY
VodkaDilc: while I don't watch Graham Norton's TV show (and obviously don't watch Eurovision), I greatly enjoy his contributions to 'Just A Minute', where his articulacy, diction and warm personality make for a very pleasurable listening experience. And, for what it's worth, while the lady wife also doesn't watch his TV show, she quite enjoys his 'agony aunt' column in the Saturday Telegraph. I suspect that a fate much worse than Graham can, and indeed may well, befall Radio 3 ere too long, at which people might realize that, as radio presenters go, he is pretty good.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UcFJiiyYzJQ&feature=relmfu
:laugh::laugh::laugh:
underthecountertenor
29-05-12, 09:53
Well I'm just wondering whether your views are those of the majority of Radio 3 listeners, or the views of an influential minority intent on foisting their tastes on the rest.
My views are my views, which I felt moved to express on hearing Ian Skelly's (to my taste) refreshing presentation style. Whether they coincide with the views of the majority of Radio 3 listeners or those of a minority, whether influential or not, I cannot say. I certainly have no influence and I'm not about foisting anything on anyone. I thought I had expressed my views pretty moderately, so don't quite understand why you have felt the need to go on the offensive.
I thought I had expressed my views pretty moderately, so don't quite understand why you have felt the need to go on the offensive.
Yes I respect your views under thecountertenor, which are based on sound musical judgements.
But my tastes are not coincident with yours, and I often feel bored/ uncomfortable after listening a while to those presenters you mention.
That is why I asked a genuine question - do your views represent those of the majority? If so , I guess we can look forward to hearing much more of Ian Skelly, and I will probably depart in the general direction of Radio 6. If not, I'll probably hang around.
My views are my views, which I felt moved to express on hearing Ian Skelly's (to my taste) refreshing presentation style.
Your views coincide with mine, unders :ok: I find that he manages to deal with the email clutter deftly, giving contact details in a way which suggests they don't matter more than the music, unlike certain others, and presents the pieces without any gush or special pleading, just communicating quiet enthusiasm without excess adjectives or 'smiley voice' affectation. Good stuff.
Norfolk Born
29-05-12, 10:57
Wherefore are these things hid!? Wherefore have these gifts a curtain before 'em?!
What do you talk about, Norfy? Music? :smiley:
It's just a monthly guest spot at which I bring along a few CD tracks linked by a theme. It's a VERY local station, with the number of people in the studio possibly only just outnumbered by the number of listeners when it broadcasts its Classical Music Show. Every other year, I'm invited to plan and introduce a similar, but longer, sort of programme at a local church hall for the local Recorded Music Society, which (being a bit of an unashamed showman) I find more rewarding.
underthecountertenor
29-05-12, 10:57
"'Smiley voice' affectation" is a brilliant description of that dreadful modern radio phenomenon. I don't know how they do it. I can't imitate it, even if I try, any more than I can finish sentences that aren't questions on a rising inflexion?
Norfolk Born
29-05-12, 11:01
To whom might you be referring Norfolk Born??
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wyk06CD4xgY
Nice clip, but I'm not quite sure of its relevance..:confused:
"'Smiley voice' affectation" is a brilliant description of that dreadful modern radio phenomenon.
They all manage to sound like primary school teachers.
underthecountertenor
29-05-12, 12:02
Yes I respect your views under thecountertenor, which are based on sound musical judgements.
But my tastes are not coincident with yours, and I often feel bored/ uncomfortable after listening a while to those presenters you mention.
That is why I asked a genuine question - do your views represent those of the majority? If so , I guess we can look forward to hearing much more of Ian Skelly, and I will probably depart in the general direction of Radio 6. If not, I'll probably hang around.
Fair enough, Oddball!
What the BBC's focus on the role of the presenter has done is to move attention away from the musical content of the programmes, so that there are more threads here about presenters rather than what is being presented. For me a 'good' presenter will be an unobtrusive one who swiftly and concisely (and accurately) conveys the relevant information about the performance. I don't really want to notice the presenter at all, just the music. Which is why programmes like Breakfast and Essential Classics, which are really constructed around the presenter and guests, with the music as a kind of afterthought (and so much of that is endlessly recycled music) are of so little interest to me. I would like to get back to a period - there must have been one - when no-one gave a damn who the presenter was.
Suffolkcoastal
29-05-12, 13:49
The present regime doesn't care much about the music at all between 6.30 and 12. I see the weekend breakfast playlists have been left half finished yet again, just to prove how unimportant the music they play is.
Norfolk Born
29-05-12, 16:01
What the BBC's focus on the role of the presenter has done is to move attention away from the musical content of the programmes, so that there are more threads here about presenters rather than what is being presented. For me a 'good' presenter will be an unobtrusive one who swiftly and concisely (and accurately) conveys the relevant information about the performance. I don't really want to notice the presenter at all, just the music. Which is why programmes like Breakfast and Essential Classics, which are really constructed around the presenter and guests, with the music as a kind of afterthought (and so much of that is endlessly recycled music) are of so little interest to me. I would like to get back to a period - there must have been one - when no-one gave a damn who the presenter was.
I agree 100%.
Eine Alpensinfonie
29-05-12, 17:41
They all manage to sound like primary school teachers.That's a dreadful slur on primary school teachers. :winkeye:
That's a dreadful slur on primary school teachers. :winkeye:
Especially the one who was on just as I tuned in for Irving Berlin at 12 today. She has a vaguely northern accent as well as the 'talking down' tendency. I no longer listen to R3 before 12, so I don't know her name.
Don Petter
29-05-12, 17:47
"'Smiley voice' affectation" is a brilliant description of that dreadful modern radio phenomenon. I don't know how they do it. I can't imitate it, even if I try, any more than I can finish sentences that aren't questions on a rising inflexion?
Strangely enough, I suppose they could both be termed 'Bruceisms'. (One Fiona and the other antipodean.)
Strangely enough, I suppose they could both be termed 'Bruceisms'. (One Fiona and the other antipodean.)
Does that mean we can expect: "Nice to see you; to see you, nice."?
Don Petter
29-05-12, 18:28
Does that mean we can expect: "Nice to see you; to see you, nice."?
:biggrin:
No bonus for you - He's neither a Fiona or antipodean.
(Though he might do no worse at running R3 mornings?)
:biggrin:
No bonus for you - He's neither a Fiona or antipodean.
(Though he might do no worse at running R3 mornings?)
Antediluvian, perhaps.
kernelbogey
30-05-12, 07:34
A rather jolly piece from Dowland there - must have had a good day. - Ian Skelly
:ok: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :ok:
What the BBC's focus on the role of the presenter has done is to move attention away from the musical content of the programmes, so that there are more threads here about presenters rather than what is being presented. ...... I would like to get back to a period - there must have been one - when no-one gave a damn who the presenter was.
Found Ian Skelly's selections much more interesting today than previously, although I'm having difficulty correlating the items played with the playlist as announced. I assume it was the Ravel string quartet that caught my attention - more demanding than the average Breakfast piece, followed by a piano piece -what was that I wonder?
Freely admit that my tastes are not those of the median R3 listener, and I don't like loud bang crash wallop orchestral pieces, particularly first thing in the morning. However on turning to Radio 6, I find the presenter is entertaining us with details of what he had for breakfast, and how he ate it off the breakfast table.
So it seems I am unlikely to find my perfect Breakfast show.
french frank
30-05-12, 08:58
A rather jolly piece from Dowland there - must have had a good day. - Ian Skelly :ok: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :ok:Is that what IS said?
I must say, that's my idea of quiet Radio 3 humour :smiley:
Westminster Waltz by Robert Farnon
Rather more harmonious that the House of Common these days…. (Ian Skelly)
I am actually listening to Breakfast on weekdays for the first time in several months. There are still a lot of bits and chunks of music but that’s probably the nature of the programme. There are NO ‘when I was doing this and that…’ sort of emails. The listeners’ comments are (almost) all musically relevant. Even Your Call has been from organisers of music festivals. I even get an impression that it was the programme that called the ‘caller’ rather than the other way round, from the way the ‘caller’ sounded not terribly forthcoming.
Louise Fryer will be presenting the rest of the week.
Perhaps we should bump up the Eternal Breakfast thread.
kernelbogey
30-05-12, 09:22
Is that what IS said?
I must say, that's my idea of quiet Radio 3 humour :smiley:
Mine too - and that's what I heard.
underthecountertenor
30-05-12, 10:09
Mine too - and that's what I heard.
So did I. Just like the old days at their best. It's the sort of thing Tom Crowe might have said.
underthecountertenor
30-05-12, 10:14
Louise Fryer is taking over from tomorrow. I like her style, but I'll miss IS.
So did I. Just like the old days at their best. It's the sort of thing Tom Crowe might have said.
I hope you mean by ‘old days’, pre-tweeter (twitter?) or pre-Your Call days (or pre-RW days). Or we’ll be accused of being plain nostalgic, anachronistic, old so-and-so, and all the rest. :winkeye:
underthecountertenor
30-05-12, 10:29
Well, I DID say 'old days at their best,' which does allow for the possibility that not everything was better back then. Doesn't it? :winkeye:
Yes, I've been enjoying Ian Skelly's presentation this week, and I agree just like Tom Crowe! But whatever we think about other presenters I think we should all hope that Petroc Trelawny can get back to the UK soon and sort out his problems in Zimbabwe. Andy
underthecountertenor
30-05-12, 11:55
Yes, I've been enjoying Ian Skelly's presentation this week, and I agree just like Tom Crowe! But whatever we think about other presenters I think we should all hope that Petroc Trelawny can get back to the UK soon and sort out his problems in Zimbabwe. Andy
Absolutely, Andy. I am a great admirer of PT, and I do wish him well.
long drive today, so thought I would give breakfast a chance. Managed an hour without being wound up too much. A bit of variety in the music and no stupid tweets goes a LONG way. Especially when you are going a long way .:smiley:
....mmmm.
Problem is with Car Radio that many of the alternative stations are just digital radio, not FM.
But I have been advised that DAB car radio is very poor quality. I wonder if technicalities have improved?
....mmmm.
Problem is with Car Radio that many of the alternative stations are just digital radio, not FM.
But I have been advised that DAB car radio is very poor quality. I wonder if technicalities have improved?
technicalities have improved and, yes, it's still crap
Don Petter
01-06-12, 11:11
....mmmm.
Problem is with Car Radio that many of the alternative stations are just digital radio, not FM.
But I have been advised that DAB car radio is very poor quality. I wonder if technicalities have improved?
If you mean reception quality, it is fine if you use an external roof aerial. (Magnetic one available for a few pounds.) The windscreen aerials are not very effective, but I very rarely get less than 100% signal travelling round the country with the outside one.
If you mean broadcast quality, it has been widely discussed as not as good as FM, but in the car that is not as noticeable as in the home. I only listen to digital for such as R5Extra and R4Extra, which are not otherwise available.
Many thanks - I'll get onto my garage and see if something can be done.
John Shea is presenting Afternoon on 3. What a surprise and what a delight. It's back to Radio 3 as it was before the rot set in. He is indeed "unobtrusive...(and he)... swiftly and concisely (and accurately) conveys the relevant information about the performance". It should be about the music and not the presenter and with John it is. It is a shame that we have his photo on the listings page but that will not have been his choice. A portait of Haydn would have been better.
Panjandrum
25-06-12, 07:22
Tom Service up to his old tricks on Saturday's Music Matters: providing some simultaneous translations of Jean-Efflam Bavouzet's effusive outpourings, including rendering "avoir la gorge serree" as "to have the throat cut". :laugh:
At another point, TS obviously with a low opinion of the breadth of vocabulary among the Radio 3 audience, felt the need to translate some French musicologist's use of the word "auto-didact" to describe Debussy, as "he was self-taught." Well, fancy that. :erm:
Flosshilde
25-06-12, 08:42
& didn't he refer to 'Bread Street' in Paris? Woe betide the non-French speaker for whom he presumably supplied the translation if they whent to look for it.
Flosshilde
25-06-12, 08:50
I find the presenter is entertaining us with details of what he had for breakfast, and how he ate it off the breakfast table.
So it seems I am unlikely to find my perfect Breakfast show.
Sounds exactly like a perfect breakfast show :laugh: (unless you mean a show where guests describe their perfect breakfast)
Perhaps the 'show' on Radio 3 is more a dog's dinner?
Eine Alpensinfonie
25-06-12, 08:58
I have DAB on my car radio. There's nothing wrong with the reception, but I prefer to listen on FM whenever the station is available. Radio 5 (ordinary) is also available on AM, so obviously the DAB alternative is an improvement there.
Tom Service up to his old tricks on Saturday's Music Matters: providing some simultaneous translations of Jean-Efflam Bavouzet's effusive outpourings, including rendering "avoir la gorge serree" as "to have the throat cut". :laugh:
At another point, TS obviously with a low opinion of the breadth of vocabulary among the Radio 3 audience, felt the need to translate some French musicologist's use of the word "auto-didact" to describe Debussy, as "he was self-taught." Well, fancy that. :erm:
Although on the up side, some people who previously didn't know the meaning of the term "Auto-didact",(perhaps some younger listeners, or those with a less expensive education) now will know it. So for once, well done Tom.
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