Prom 60: Tuesday 30th August at 7.30 p.m. (Mozart, Bruckner)

[Alison]

It's what I call a 'painting by numbers' performance.

Somehow it's mostly all there and yet I can't say Im really enjoying it ....

[Alison]

Thought you were on holiday, Bryn !

I fancy you're enjoying the Eighth more than me ...

[waldhorn]

Is anybody out there enjoying the rather strident and wobbly ( 'molto vibrato') Wagner Tuba playing?
I'm certainly not.

[Bryn]

Nowak, in each of the editions he prepared, offer Bruckner as Bruckner composed, then revised the work. Haas's pick and mix version, funded by you know who, is neither fish nor fowl, and though nearly everything in it originates from Bruckner's work, it is not a composition by Bruckner. I know Stephen Johnson likes to believe that Bruckner's striking out of the passages Haas 'restored' was something the composer regretted, but all Johnson offers in support of that view is supposition. Give me the two Nowak editions, and retain the Haas (preferably in a museum) as a curiosity as far as I'm concerned.

[Bryn]

Thought you were on holiday, Bryn !

I fancy you're enjoying the Eighth more than me ...

Well I approve of the edition used, (though I am more used to the 1887 score these days), but not a lot else, so far. I wish I could find where I have put the DG Jochum set.

My fortnight's holiday start on Saturday.

[Roehre]

Nowak, in each of the editions he prepared, offer Bruckner as Bruckner composed, then revised the work. Haas's pick and mix version, funded by you know who, is neither fish nor fowl, and though nearly everything in it originates from Bruckner's work, it is not a composition by Bruckner. I know Stephen Johnson likes to believe that Bruckner's striking out of the passages Haas 'restored' was something the composer regretted, but all Johnson offers in support of that view is supposition. Give me the two Nowak editions, and retain the Haas (preferably in a museum) as a curiosity as far as I'm concerned.

That makes definitely two of us

[Roehre]

NOWAK is rubbish...!
I hope I'm not alone in finding this 'edition' of the 'only' great 8th symphony, with its irritating little gratuitious sub-themes and constipated 'counterpoints' to be trivialised and mauled almost beyond either recognition or redemption..?:doh:

If it's rubbish, don't shout it, but give evidence, just PROVE it.

[amateur51]

Well I approve of the edition used, (though I am more used to the 1887 score these days), but not a lot else, so far. I wish I could find where I have put the DG Jochum set.

My fortnight's holiday start on Saturday.

Happy hollies, Bryn!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0SiDQAJxE2g

[waldhorn]

I can't prove it, it's an example of IMHO!
On the 'old' boards I have been chided in the past for stating 'IMHO' - on the basis that all statements on these boards are by default IMHO unless qualified by supporting evidence.

[makropulos]

If it's rubbish, don't shout it, but give evidence, just PROVE it.

Yes - and what is more, Nowak is not responsible for "irritating little gratuitious sub-themes and constipated 'counterpoints' to be trivialised and mauled almost beyond either recognition or redemption" - that sounds like a description of Bruckner by someone who doesn't like or understand Bruckner.

Bryn's explained the position of the Nowak vs. Haas debate with the 1890 version. For reasons he (and I) have explained before, we both think Nowak did a more responsible job, and Roehre clearly feels the same way. In Haas's defence, he didn't have the luxury of producing editions of both the 1887 and 1890 versions, so needed to find what he considered an ideal(ized) version.

If someone gives a great performance of the Haas version I'm hardly going to be disappointed - the differences are fairly trivial apart from Haas's interpolations, which would presumably be seen as producing even more of the "irritating little gratuitious sub-themes and constipated 'counterpoints' ..." and the like...