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    Last night, I went through most of the night with Through the Night. In reality, of course, all six hours of it were in the morning. There are not huge numbers of threads about this programme. I thought it might therefore be useful to give you my thoughts.

    1. I have the impression that while TTN would never enjoy a big fan club, it doesn't create the same amount of upset as the other morning programmes. Is this right? I am guessing that this is because there hasn't always been 24 hour broadcasting on R3. There is perhaps not a standard from the past that it is seen as failing to meet. It is also very much outside core listening hours.

    2. It would seem though that it does fall into a broadcasting style which reflects changes elsewhere. For example, there are a lot of short pieces of music. As with Breakfast, I could see the argument for having longer ones - that average of 11 minutes rather than 7 minutes that french frank has suggested. In fact, given the length of the programme, and the slower pace of that time of day, this would seem to be entirely sensible.

    3. Similarly, there is a lot of chop and change that doesn't seem very rational. Haydn, Weill, Schoenberg, Jary, Kodaly, Weill, Weill, Weill, Weill in that order. Actually, I found the sheer amount of Weill in the first two hours not at all to my tastes - one or two would have been fine - and wondered whether it would be considered by many to be classical music at all.

    4. I found Susan Sharpe to be a warm, authoritative, announcer. I liked her. I thought she had exactly the right voice and manner for that time of the day. I found her descriptions both nicely illuminating and succinct. However, it seemed to me that she was having to cater for several audiences at the same time. While it was helpful to hear that Turina was a friend of de Falla, even I didn't need to be told about the subject of Debussy's Prélude à l'après-midi d'un faune. This is a difficult square to circle.

    5. Musically, she was also catering for all. Much as I love them, I was surprised to find the Prélude and La Mer in the same programme. Nevertheless, I welcomed selections from composers with whom I was not so familar - yes Turina but also Moyzes, Milhaud and Respighi among others. And the Kodaly was terrific. I see that it is to feature in one of the next proms so I will probably be tuning in for that one.

    6. In fact, I very much enjoyed the sequence Sibelius, Glinka, Milhaud, Debussy, Turina, Respighi, even then the Corelli. If it hadn't been for the lively Milhaud which seemed to be positioned entirely irrationally, they would have made for a coherent order with an emphasis on the quietly evocative. For a while I wondered whether some programmes might benefit from more concentration on atmospheric continuity. However, on balance, the open minded part of me thought not because I welcomed the opportunity to hear a little Beethoven etc too.

    7. Whether as a whole it was a programme of "dark humour" as it was described I somewhat doubt.

    I hope that this feedback is interesting and helpful in stimulating further debate among experts.
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    I like TTN and listen occasionally but it's usually a programme I drift in and out of sleep to but Lat's 2 - this week there was a 3 hour slot of Handel's Tamerlano, the complete Manfred symphony (l hr) Schubert's string 4tets (1 hr) plus half an hour of Vieuxtemps amongst others. Personally I like Jonathan Swain as the presenter.

    I may be wrong but isn't TTN an EBU production so it's done and dusted and presenters have no say in the playlist they just announce the links?

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    It's edited for EBU members by a small BBC team in London. In a number of other countries, it's called 'Notturno'. Surprisingly perhaps, I have seen postings in the past which seemed to assume that the announcements are made live...

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    Yes Ofca, meant to say the announcements are all pre-recorded as well. In fact, from memory Jonathan Swain mentioned when he made a couple of posts here - that he was tucked up in bed when it was broadcast

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    My impression is that most often TTN is mentioned in relation to other programmes as an exemplary programme in its content and presentation. It doesn't tend to get threads dedicated to it.

    The big change over recent years is that each programme used to be individually produced as a one-off. Now there is a regular cycle of repetition, presumably as a cost-cutting measure.

    At times there are entire operas, so it's not true to suggest that it's made up of shorter pieces. The introductions are short but to the point and there are no extraneous elements. It's a recorded programme. I think that by the time it gets to about 3am there are no more than 2-3,000 R3 listeners, but that hardly matters in the context of a 6-hour programme - and throughout Europe the listening figures will be much higher.

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    And of course many R3 listeners play TTN via iPlodder as an antidote to much of the daily mix of R3.

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    As a partial insomniac, I have long been a devotee of TTN, so, as the "Breakfast" programme has become so appalling, I record TTN on my Freesat PVR to replay later, broadcasting it around the house using a little MP3 fm transmitter. That way I have the very best R3 presenters and much music that would not normally be heard anywhere else on R3.
    I've tried listening to the "new" Breakfast programme and find myself agreeing with most of what has been said about it on the thread elswhere.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Crowcatcher View Post
    I record TTN... That way I have the very best R3 presenters and much music that would not normally be heard anywhere else on R3.
    I've tried listening to the "new" Breakfast programme and find myself agreeing with most of what has been said about it on the thread elswhere.

    Agreed 100%. I find that one good TTN keeps me going for the whole week of morning listening before leaving for work so try and check out the programmes during the weekend and then set the recording for the relevant evening. It's a great resource.
    "The isle is full of noises... Sounds, and sweet airs, that give delight and hurt not"
    The Tempest, Act III scene 2 ll 148-9

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    I caught this during the night:

    1:58 AM Stravinsky, Igor [1882-1971], Petrushka, arr. Mogensen and Kjøller for accordion duet MYTHOS

    It's the sort of oddity that you would get only on TTN. I think it's worth a listen, if only (to paraphrase Dr Johnson) not merely because it was done well but because it was done at all. I had happened to hear the piece in full orchestral score not long before, when I was again struck by the extraordinary inventiveness of melody and scoring in this remarkable work. I think these two accordionists, who had won the Danish Radio Chamber Music competition, having been playing together since they were children, made a pretty good reduction for their instruments.

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    This is from Wednesday. Nielsen is not a composer I know very much about but I thoroughly enjoyed the sequence with just a few quiet words in between.
    12:31 AM
    Nielsen, Carl [1865-1931]
    Aladdin - suite (7 pieces) (from incidental music Op.34)
    Odense Symphony Orchestra, Charles Olivieri-Munro (conductor)
    12:56 AM
    Nielsen, Carl [1865-1931]
    Concerto FS.119 for flute and orchestra
    Adriana Ferreira (flute), Odense Symphony Orchestra, Charles Olivieri-Munro (conductor)
    1:15 AM
    Nielsen, Carl [1865-1931]
    Symphony no. 1 in G minor Op.7
    Odense Symphony Orchestra, Charles Olivieri-Munro (conductor)

    TTN is now definitely my TTM. I have noticed some repeats and odd occasions when the presenter must be reading the comment from the same source but that doesn’t bother me too much. Music rules on TTN.

    I am now listening to JC Bach from Thursday’s programme.

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