"Great Expectations" (BBC1, 2011)

[Anna]

I haven't seen you on the subject of Herbert Pocket, Anna, but that we should think the same about that, as well as about the overly gorgeous pouting Pip is not a surprise! It's happened before and it will happen again!

It didn't strike me that Jaggers is 'perfumed'.... I thought he was just sinister and perfectly pitched. I loved the "You are not my clients. I am for my clients"

I said about Herbert on the other thread. OK, you win, we don't love overly gorgeous pouting blokes! But, Jaggers, always washing his hands in perfumed soap and drying with silken kerchiefs? You must remember this ..... And, he said, in the Novel, "My name is Jaggers, and I am a lawyer in London. I am pretty well known. I have unusual business to transact with you! And, then, in the dinner with Pip and Pocket, did he not keep washing his hands with perfumed soap whilst being beastly to the maid and causing her harm whilst maintaining his sexual hold over her?

Edit: Whoops, got me Feminist boots on again!

[PatrickOD]

Not at all impressed, I'm afraid. I only stuck it until the cards game. Young Pip the only convincing character for me, and the marshes felt right. Magwich was too knowing too soon; Joe was too strong compared to Mrs.Joe; there was a total lack of humour; Estella's big first moment at the gate was botched; (Oh! Come back Jean Simmons!) and Miss Havisham hogged the stage at every opportunity, revealed her hand immediately,and seemed quite sane and calculating; and then all the changes to the sequence of events and the appearance of characters. Sorry. Anyway, I'm in the middle of reading the novel so I'll stick to that.

[Anna]

they say there is to be a diffenent ending to the book ....... Anyone guess what that will be? I hate scrip writers mucking about, you cannot muck about with Dickens

[ferneyhoughgeliebte]

they say there is to be a diffenent ending to the book ....... Anyone guess what that will be?

Of course! Why else miss out Biddy?
ESTELLA MARRIES JOE!!

[Anna]

Of course! Why else miss out Biddy?
ESTELLA MARRIES JOE!!

Oh, ferney! You is a rubbish script writer! But you made me giggle! No, Estella married Orlicks! And Joe had a Civil Ceremony with Pumblechook, and Herbert, he went off into the sunset with Aged Parent and a drawbridge and a cannon. Jaggers became a LadyBoy in Shoreditch. Biddy, probably became the Mayor of Casterbridge.

[Caliban]

Estella married Orlicks! And Joe had a Civil Ceremony with Pumblechook, and Herbert, he went off into the sunset with Aged Parent and a drawbridge and a cannon. Jaggers became a LadyBoy in Shoreditch. Biddy, probably became the Mayor of Casterbridge.

Now that made me out loud!!!

I'll have a pint of whatever you're having, Anna!

[Anna]

Now that made me out loud!!!

I'll have a pint of whatever you're having, Anna!

Oh, anytime Calipers, anytime. Even if we disagree about Dickens, I still think, well, personally, you are misguided about Jaggers! He is not nice to Molly and the proof is in the tureen!

[DracoM]

Sorry but I really did think that epi was atrocious. So much left out, in the book, Drummle is a morose, silent, menacing cruelty, in this he was just David Cameron with larfs. An Flashman type bully. And I simply cannot get my head round this drippy, un-nuanced Pip. He is simply dreadful, wooden, not a feature of his face lights up, and he is being seriously acted off the screen by pretty well everybody who strolls on. And the Joe characterisation has come seriously unstuck. He looks capable, he talks capable, no need for a Biddy at all. And DID Clara Pocket know Pip was the benefactor? No, this one really is a turkey.

And where is Jaggers's compulsive washing? Not a mention in the film: in the BOOK, he's at it all the time, has a special room / alcove in his office. And the convicts at Newgate are terrified of him and Wemmick, but that is simply not coming through either.

It is woeful.

[Eine Alpensinfonie]

I was a little disturbed by having a young Miss Havisham, but the normal practice of portraying her as rather elderly is not particularly logical. After all, Estella is the daughter of Magwitch, who is a contemporary of Compeyson, who was Miss Havisham's fiance. So she might be in her mid 30s at the beginning of the story.

[french frank]

You know, you cannot condense Dickens into 3 hours, this is the problem.

How about into two hours? Thanks to PatrickOD for finding this - I started watching when I hadn't got time to see the whole thing, but I could hardly tear myself away from it.

Well, I suppose I'll just have to make do with that one ...................