The story of jazz - the eighties, nineties and noughties

**burning dog** · 28-03-12, 21:50

Originally Posted by Ian Thumwood

Calum's ppst effectively sums in up. I totally agree with this. There is almost a case for the "ground rules" being established for jazz between 1917 and 1970 and that this effectively produced the canvas upon which the jazz musicians of the last 30 years could experiment.

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I thikn that's how it's turned out Ian.

Nothing against "the groove" myself but some of most unsuitable people took it up. Plonking post bop on top of a groove has never worked even more so when the players can't really "groove" at all. It makes me think of Carol Thatcher at a rave. EST are the Euro disco of jazz. As for "Jazz with a rock attiutude"

What does that mean? Pretend to be working class, sneer a lot, then buy a farm and become a Classic Fm DJ?

**Tenor Freak** · 30-03-12, 22:26

Originally Posted by MrGongGong

Hummmm

I'm no jazzer BUT I always thought that the language of jazz is stuffed full of samples and quotations ? I remember hearing Mornington Locket's degree recital in the 1980's where he had found out what particular Schoenberg pieces the external examiner had written about in his Phd and then slipped in fragments of the same pieces into the relentless bebop that he was playing.

Very funny! This is more the kind of thing I was thinking of... {NB: Not Jass}