Prom 23 (31.7.12): Vaughan Williams, Ireland, Delius & Walton

[amateur51]

Am: sadly, Kilimanjiro the guinea pig ceased roughly on the midnight with (one hopes) no pain, despite a late-night visit to the vet The funeral was today while I was at work: family only.

The big question now is: Did he successfully pass on his genes before he went? We shall keep the world's media fully updated.

Sad news indeed LMP but thanks for the update.

My bro's guineapig Banjo died after breaking his back after jumping out of his elevated cage - I think it was the brandy & warm water that saw him off frankly, but what a way to go

I wasn't allowed mammals as pets, being the eldest.

No I didn't understand that either but I've stopped fretting about it

[Ferretfancy]

Sad news indeed LMP but thanks for the update.

My bro's guineapig Banjo died after breaking his back after jumping out of his elevated cage - I think it was the brandy & warm water that saw him off frankly, but what a way to go

I wasn't allowed mammals as pets, being the eldest.

No I didn't understand that either but I've stopped fretting about it

Did you have to feed,water and tend all the juniors, including Banjo ? This conjures up a fascinating picture from Dickens ! I grew up in Somerset, and apart from my uncle's dog saw a few newts come and go -- a sort of Gussie fink-Nottle.

[Pabmusic]

...I wasn't allowed mammals as pets, being the eldest.

No I didn't understand that either but I've stopped fretting about it

??!! The trouble with this kind of 'irrational' rule is often that the reason for it is usually lost in the mists of time. My (first) wife (I've been with my second now for 15 years) had a 'family' recipe, handed down generation to generation, that ended something like: "Divide between two medium baking tins and bake at..." I queried why we had to divide the mixture when we could equally well have cooked it all together. My wife didn't know - it was just 'the recipe'. Her mother didn't know, either. We got the answer from the maternal grandmother (whose recipe it apparently was) - she had had a small oven, and it wouldn't accommodate a large baking tin!

[grandchant]

Well pleased with this performance of Belshazzar; too often they just go like the clappers at the end and the detail gets omitted at that speed, but Walton's music deserves due detail. Also, the women's choral lines towards the end were heard intact.

[amateur51]

??!! The trouble with this kind of 'irrational' rule is often that the reason for it is usually lost in the mists of time. My (first) wife (I've been with my second now for 15 years) had a 'family' recipe, handed down generation to generation, that ended something like: "Divide between two medium baking tins and bake at..." I queried why we had to divide the mixture when we could equally well have cooked it all together. My wife didn't know - it was just 'the recipe'. Her mother didn't know, either. We got the answer from the maternal grandmother (whose recipe it apparently was) - she had had a small oven, and it wouldn't accommodate a large baking tin!

Lovely story, Pabs - almost Chekhovian

[Lateralthinking1]

Four works that I heard live a great deal in my long ago youth. I started to record on my TV but that annoying little thingy that floats about on the otherwise blank screen when recording R3 drove me [more] dotty so decided to wait and record the whole concert on BBC4 on the 9th.

I've had a rest from Belshazzar so am looking forward to it. Love the Delius and RVW, when well played but never got to grips with the John Ireland work. I can hear Ernest Chapman tut-tutting in heaven.

I am finding it difficult to see what is on BBC4 and when. Does anyone have a full schedule of the television broadcasts?

This for example has a tiny footnote 'Recorded for broadcast on BBC Four on 9 August' which I wouldn't have seen had it not been for salymap saying that it would be on the 9th -

http://www.test.bbc.co.uk/proms/what.../july-31/14276

Now that we have got past the wall to wall Beethoven, I want to have the opportunity to watch the things I like.

[Caliban]

I am finding it difficult to see what is on BBC4 and when. Does anyone have a full schedule of the television broadcasts?

This for example has a tiny footnote 'Recorded for broadcast on BBC Four on 9 August' which I wouldn't have seen had it not been for salymap saying that it would be on the 9th -

http://www.test.bbc.co.uk/proms/what.../july-31/14276

Now that we have got past the wall to wall Beethoven, I want to have the opportunity to watch the things I like.

It's called "catch as catch can" I think, Lat - that's the phrase that was used in our house when no one could be bothered to cook

[Andrew Slater]

I am finding it difficult to see what is on BBC4 and when. Does anyone have a full schedule of the television broadcasts?

Try this.

Unfortunately, it's ordered by performance date, and still needs clicking and searching for the TV broadcast date!

[Lateralthinking1]

Try this.

Unfortunately, it's ordered by performance date, and still needs clicking and searching for the TV broadcast date!

Thank you to both of you. Perhaps this is a point best raised on a general thread but I find the way the website is structured disappointing. It is designed mainly for those attending and the broadcasts are secondary.

For example, I had decided that I would view performances this year rather than simply listening to them on the radio. Having looked at the schedule several times a month or two ago, I ruled out the early part of the season because of content. I thought that if there were one or two things that were worthwhile, I'd see them anyway because they tend to be on television later and I would ultimately find them.

Now I find that I have missed the Respighi which I have to turn to another page to find was as early as Prom 3 and is not to be televised. Similarly, I am aware from earlier reading that there is a prom featuring Villa-Lobos but you wouldn't know that by looking only at the television page.

I suppose it isn't ludicrous to expect someone to turn a few pages but I would have thought that they could have listed the broadcasting times - radio and television - of all the proms in date order on one page!

[Brassbandmaestro]

This was a very enjoyable indeed I managed to catch this on iplayer today, thankfully.