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  • EnemyoftheStoat
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    • Nov 2010
    • 1272

    Originally posted by Ian Thumwood View Post

    The conquest of Plassans was the point at which i gave up. LBH is the best one. They all follow a similar pattern and i got fed up with them in the end. The ones you list are the better ones , those not published by Penguin were missed for a reason. The low point is supposed to be the one set in a department store.
    Au Bonheur des Dames goes to the top of my reading list then.

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    • Ian Thumwood
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      • Dec 2010
      • 4821

      Originally posted by EnemyoftheStoat View Post

      Au Bonheur des Dames goes to the top of my reading list then.



      You might also enjoy Viz.
      Last edited by Ian Thumwood; 09-01-26, 23:00.

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      • EnemyoftheStoat
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        • Nov 2010
        • 1272

        Originally posted by Ian Thumwood View Post




        You might also enjoy Viz.
        I had one look at Viz when it was first a thing, and that was enough, thank you.

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        • Lordgeous
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          • Dec 2012
          • 881

          The late Humphrey Burton's autobiography 'In My Own Time'. A good read and a fascinating one - I love 'behind the scenes'-type books! A lot of nostalgia for a time when Music and the Arts appeared more important to the BBC than they do now. Lots of stories of course. A lovely one from that memorable broadcast when Stravinsky conducted his Firebird at the RFH with the Philharmonia. Apparently, though using a score, Stravinsky lost his place just before the wonderful horn entry at the start of the final section, indicating the entry to the player (Civil) a bar early. According to Burton the look of delight (and gratitude) on his face appeared when Alan ignored the cue and entered correctly. A historic occasion thankfully available on YouTube.
          Last edited by Lordgeous; 26-01-26, 14:55. Reason: Correction: Horn player was Alan Civil, not Dednis Brain.

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          • smittims
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            • Aug 2022
            • 6412

            Coincidentally I was just listening to Dennis play that lovely solo on the 1956 Giulini recording.

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            • vinteuil
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              • Nov 2010
              • 14240

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              Jane Austen, Sanditon

              I don't know why I had never got round to reading it before ; the acquisition of the Cambridge edition of the Later Manuscripts nudged me to getting into it

              Only twelve chapters, the 'stub' of a possible novel : she never got around to re-writing what we have, let alone completing it - but there is some lovely stuff, and it's curiously modern in its interest in the marketing of a new 'experience', here the development of a sea-bathing resort

              We can never know how she might have wanted the plot to develop - we can begin to guess at the baddies and the goodies and the lost inbetweeners ; she died four months after her writing of the last page

              The Cambridge edition has useful notes (sometimes a bit heavy-handed), but is not as attractive to read as the old RW Chapman edition for Oxford

              Glad to have read it - I think I shall now read the other 'Minor Works'

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              • Ein Heldenleben
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                • Apr 2014
                • 8633

                Originally posted by Ian Thumwood View Post

                The conquest of Plassans was the point at which i gave up. LBH is the best one. They all follow a similar pattern and i got fed up with them in the end. The ones you list are the better ones , those not published by Penguin were missed for a reason. The low point is supposed to be the one set in a department store.
                I think Au Bonheur Des Dames is a superb book. One of the first to tackle the phenomenon of consumerism and probably the first ever about a department store and indeed middle class female shoplifting. Plus the whole theme of the small lower middle class trader being crushed by larger economic forces.
                Read most of Rougon- Macquart and the best IMV is L’Assommoir.

                Any Balzac fans out there ?

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                • vinteuil
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                  • Nov 2010
                  • 14240

                  Originally posted by Ein Heldenleben View Post


                  Any Balzac fans out there ?
                  ... o yessssss!


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                  • vinteuil
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                    • Nov 2010
                    • 14240

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                    ... with delight, and sadness - Julian Barnes : Departure(s)

                    As he says, (probably) his last book.

                    (Predictably) one of my favourite living writers.

                    For those of you who appreciate Julian Barnes - he's still got it

                    Memory, illness, death, friendship, love, failing memory, the covid years, France, Proust (in small doses... ), writing, contemporaries....

                    ( ... perhaps I should add that it's very funny)

                    My wife asked me whether we read Julian Barnes because he is in so many ways our contemporary : do - will - the young read him?
                    I don't have an answer. But for me he is a constant delight...




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                    Last edited by vinteuil; 27-01-26, 17:54.

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                    • french frank
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                      • Feb 2007
                      • 32388

                      Originally posted by vinteuil View Post
                      For those of you who appreciate Julian Barnes - he's still got it

                      Memory, illness, death, friendship, love, failing memory, the covid years, France, Proust (in small doses... ), writing, contemporaries....

                      ( ... perhaps I should add that it's very funny)
                      I suppose I should give him another go <sigh> but I didn't get on at all with Flaubert's Parrot or A History of the World ...
                      It isn't given us to know those rare moments when people are wide open and the lightest touch can wither or heal. A moment too late and we can never reach them any more in this world.

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                      • vinteuil
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                        • Nov 2010
                        • 14240

                        Originally posted by french frank View Post

                        I suppose I should give him another go <sigh> but I didn't get on at all with Flaubert's Parrot or A History of the World ...
                        ... interesting : is it that you find him too much of a clever-clogs?


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                        • french frank
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                          • Feb 2007
                          • 32388

                          Originally posted by vinteuil View Post
                          ... interesting : is it that you find him too much of a clever-clogs?
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                          N-n-no, not that. I don't think I had an opinion about him. The writing didn't engage my interest very much, any more than did Margaret Attwood or Kate Atkinson. Maybe I've just gone off novels? Or reading books? I ploughed through A Briefer History of Time and retained a definition of the Uncertainty Principle but as I thought that was self-evident I probably didn't understand it in the first place
                          It isn't given us to know those rare moments when people are wide open and the lightest touch can wither or heal. A moment too late and we can never reach them any more in this world.

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                          • vinteuil
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                            • Nov 2010
                            • 14240

                            Originally posted by french frank View Post
                            Maybe I've just gone off novels? Or reading books?
                            ... ah, that I recognize!

                            I was always amazed that my father, who had an extensive book collection (I hesitate to say 'library'), never seemed to read anything. He explained that 'in his youth' (father William... ) he had read a lot, and had now lost the appetite

                            And now I can say that 'in my youth' (father William...) I read voraciously - but now just dip in to things, from time to time

                            Mme v is at the beginning of Ford Madox Ford's 'Parade's End'. I wish her luck...


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                            • french frank
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                              • Feb 2007
                              • 32388

                              Originally posted by vinteuil View Post
                              Mme v is at the beginning of Ford Madox Ford's 'Parade's End'. I wish her luck...
                              Now that I did read with interest, albeit many years ago. Was it serialised on television at some point (not that I saw it)?

                              Just consulted the book shelves: No, not actually Parade's End but The Good Soldier (found between C Mackenzie and K Mansfield )
                              It isn't given us to know those rare moments when people are wide open and the lightest touch can wither or heal. A moment too late and we can never reach them any more in this world.

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                              • vinteuil
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                                • Nov 2010
                                • 14240

                                Originally posted by french frank View Post

                                Now that I did read with interest, albeit many years ago. Was it serialised on television at some point (not that I saw it)?
                                Parade's End was serialised, with a very ill-suited (I thought : many critics admired his performance) Benedict Cumberbatch as Tietjens (curiously he couldn't deliver a believable upper-class accent) and a delicious Rebecca Hall as the egregious Sylvia

                                Originally posted by french frank View Post
                                Just consulted the book shelves: No, not actually Parade's End but The Good Soldier (found between C Mackenzie and K Mansfield )
                                ... I think he should probably be filed under H. Or possibly F. Don't think M really permissible









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                                Last edited by vinteuil; 27-01-26, 19:27.

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