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  • LMcD
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    • Sep 2017
    • 10899

    Originally posted by oddoneout View Post
    .......highlights'(chosen how, by whom, or indeed what?) sprinkled randomly through the afternoon schedule are now what constitute Prom concert repeats. ...
    It's like having an endless series of surprise birthday parties, isn't it?
    UPDATE: The first item to be broadcast this afternoon turns out to be the Palestrina, and not the Leclair.
    FURTHER UPDATE: Now playing - the (unlisted) Mozart Clarinet Quintet - mind you, it does say 'Including' at the top of the page....
    Last edited by LMcD; 01-08-25, 12:16.

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    • smittims
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      • Aug 2022
      • 6602

      Well, at least I've been assured by the shcedule that they will repeat A Mass of Life at 1 pm. on 19 August. Hopefully complete but maybe interrupted by applause just to spoill Delius' carefully-crafted serenity at the end of his individual movements. Ideally one wants at least ten seconds of silence for the beauty to sink in.

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      • smittims
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        • Aug 2022
        • 6602

        A Bax Symphony on Radio 3 is so rare that , when they announced at 1538 yesterday they would be playing his sixth I wondered how they would fit it into the 27 minutes remaining before COTW began. I expected they would do their usual trick of announcing the whole symphony and then playing just the finale, filling in the time with self-congratulatory trailers and an excruciating Gershwin arrangement.

        Instead they played what was clearly a symphony by Malcolm Arnold . Afterwards we were still told that it was Bax' sixth and the online schedule still insists that this was played ! I wonder if anyone at Radio 3 actually listens to Radio 3 . The gaffe was still on BBC Sounds last time I checked, if anyone wants to hear it

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        • oddoneout
          Full Member
          • Nov 2015
          • 10498

          Originally posted by smittims View Post
          A Bax Symphony on Radio 3 is so rare that , when they announced at 1538 yesterday they would be playing his sixth I wondered how they would fit it into the 27 minutes remaining before COTW began. I expected they would do their usual trick of announcing the whole symphony and then playing just the finale, filling in the time with self-congratulatory trailers and an excruciating Gershwin arrangement.

          Instead they played what was clearly a symphony by Malcolm Arnold . Afterwards we were still told that it was Bax' sixth and the online schedule still insists that this was played ! I wonder if anyone at Radio 3 actually listens to Radio 3 . The gaffe was still on BBC Sounds last time I checked, if anyone wants to hear it
          The discrepancies between the schedule and the music played are impressive aren't they, even by R3 standards. Haydn and Huw Watkins in the schedule but not played apparently, Rachmaniniv, Mozart and Bax/ Arnold not on schedule but played. Not showing a full schedule is standard practice, but leaving items out of it isn't. Wonder if the Al Ryan presenting is actually AI Ryan and needs some more time to learn its craft? I really don't see how this fits with attracting a new audience - confusing and misleading listeners who likely have less knowledge to sort out such discrepancies than the longer standing one - or did the DAB come up with correct details during the broadcast?

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          • Ein Heldenleben
            Full Member
            • Apr 2014
            • 8719

            Originally posted by oddoneout View Post

            The discrepancies between the schedule and the music played are impressive aren't they, even by R3 standards. Haydn and Huw Watkins in the schedule but not played apparently, Rachmaniniv, Mozart and Bax/ Arnold not on schedule but played. Not showing a full schedule is standard practice, but leaving items out of it isn't. Wonder if the Al Ryan presenting is actually AI Ryan and needs some more time to learn its craft? I really don't see how this fits with attracting a new audience - confusing and misleading listeners who likely have less knowledge to sort out such discrepancies than the longer standing one - or did the DAB come up with correct details during the broadcast?
            From what Smits is saying it’s not just a discrepancy between the schedule and the actual performance but, more seriously between what’s been announced, played and then back announced . That happens sometimes but usually with live encores not CDs of Arnold and Bax Symphonies which are readily distinguishable to those who know about music.

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            • french frank
              Administrator/Moderator
              • Feb 2007
              • 32469

              Originally posted by oddoneout View Post
              I really don't see how this fits with attracting a new audience - confusing and misleading listeners who likely have less knowledge to sort out such discrepancies
              But they'll never know they've been misled, will they? And these notional new listeners are by that token less interested in knowing what they're listening to than in having some music on in the background: Box, Cox, Bax, Arnold. This is not to disparage such listeners (we are all ignoramuses): it's to criticise the BBC and Radio 3, who used to know better but no longer do (so logically I suppose they shouldn't be criticised either). But as long as there are those who express themselves eternally grateful for the crumbs ...
              It isn't given us to know those rare moments when people are wide open and the lightest touch can wither or heal. A moment too late and we can never reach them any more in this world.

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              • cloughie
                Full Member
                • Dec 2011
                • 22774

                Originally posted by smittims View Post
                A Bax Symphony on Radio 3 is so rare that , when they announced at 1538 yesterday they would be playing his sixth I wondered how they would fit it into the 27 minutes remaining before COTW began. I expected they would do their usual trick of announcing the whole symphony and then playing just the finale, filling in the time with self-congratulatory trailers and an excruciating Gershwin arrangement.

                Instead they played what was clearly a symphony by Malcolm Arnold . Afterwards we were still told that it was Bax' sixth and the online schedule still insists that this was played ! I wonder if anyone at Radio 3 actually listens to Radio 3 . The gaffe was still on BBC Sounds last time I checked, if anyone wants to hear it
                …and would they know the difference between Arnold Bax and Malcolm Arnold or even Arnold Layne!

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                • Andrew Slater
                  Full Member
                  • Mar 2007
                  • 1887

                  Originally posted by smittims View Post
                  A Bax Symphony on Radio 3 is so rare that , when they announced at 1538 yesterday they would be playing his sixth I wondered how they would fit it into the 27 minutes remaining before COTW began. I expected they would do their usual trick of announcing the whole symphony and then playing just the finale, filling in the time with self-congratulatory trailers and an excruciating Gershwin arrangement.

                  Instead they played what was clearly a symphony by Malcolm Arnold . Afterwards we were still told that it was Bax' sixth and the online schedule still insists that this was played ! I wonder if anyone at Radio 3 actually listens to Radio 3 . The gaffe was still on BBC Sounds last time I checked, if anyone wants to hear it
                  At least they got the opus number correct for the Arnold!

                  What is stranger about this is that there's no record on the Faber Music website of this performance of Arnold's sixth in 2024. Furthermore the Ulster Orchestra programme for 2023-24 doesn't list Arnold, Bax, or Seal, but it could have been a studio performance, although the acoustic suggests not.

                  Listening again, I notice that the back-announcement, which was definitely there earlier, has been edited out (quite brutally!)

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                  • oddoneout
                    Full Member
                    • Nov 2015
                    • 10498

                    Originally posted by french frank View Post

                    But they'll never know they've been misled, will they? And these notional new listeners are by that token less interested in knowing what they're listening to than in having some music on in the background: Box, Cox, Bax, Arnold. This is not to disparage such listeners (we are all ignoramuses): it's to criticise the BBC and Radio 3, who used to know better but no longer do (so logically I suppose they shouldn't be criticised either). But as long as there are those who express themselves eternally grateful for the crumbs ...
                    Until they try and find out a bit more for themselves - does sometimes happen... Even worse would be the situation where such an individual pipes up in more knowledgeable company about having heard (as they thought) composition A and find that it was no such thing; if said company isn't civilised about the mistake, it can be a horrid experience.
                    But what it boils down to, IMV, is that R3 should not be making such mistakes for programmes like Classical Live which have a known schedule(unlike the listeners who get the incomplete version - if they are lucky) and minimal live content which can be a source of mistooks.

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                    • smittims
                      Full Member
                      • Aug 2022
                      • 6602

                      I agree; I find it inexcusable. and the error still has not been corrected.

                      By the way,the Watkins horn lament was broadcast,and can be heard at around 1h 41m in on the Sounds recording.

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                      • oddoneout
                        Full Member
                        • Nov 2015
                        • 10498

                        Originally posted by smittims View Post
                        I agree; I find it inexcusable. and the error still has not been corrected.

                        By the way,the Watkins horn lament was broadcast,and can be heard at around 1h 41m in on the Sounds recording.
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                        But if the Huw Watkins doesn't appear on the 'Music Played' list then I think it quite likely an assumption might be made that it wasn't played at all, so appearing on Sounds wouldn't help? Quite apart from the now apparently general R3 assumption that everyone only listens on Sounds, so mistakes in the online information don't matter.

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                        • french frank
                          Administrator/Moderator
                          • Feb 2007
                          • 32469

                          Originally posted by Andrew Slater View Post
                          Listening again, I notice that the back-announcement, which was definitely there earlier, has been edited out (quite brutally!)
                          So someone there does still read this forum!
                          It isn't given us to know those rare moments when people are wide open and the lightest touch can wither or heal. A moment too late and we can never reach them any more in this world.

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                          • AuntDaisy
                            Host
                            • Jun 2018
                            • 2411

                            Originally posted by french frank View Post
                            So someone there does still read this forum!
                            Yes, Andrew is right and it does end abruptly now.
                            I think the original Sounds versions started ~2.5 minutes later and was missing some announcements plus news & weather.
                            It's gone from a length of 2:58:09 to 3:00:40.

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                            • edashtav
                              Full Member
                              • Jul 2012
                              • 3864

                              Antonín Dvořák

                              Romance in F minor, Op 11

                              Performer: Tamsin Waley-Cohen. Ensemble: Orsino

                              A word of thanks for the recording by this team of a sympathetic arrangement of Dvorak’s mellifluous and melodic Romance that the composer included in his 5th String Quartet and later orchestrated. It appeared on In Concert this afternoon (Wed Oct. 01) in a version for violin and wind ensemble. The Orsino Ensemble was fine but the icing on their cake was Tamsin Waley-Cohen. Playing con amore on her warm Strad. , Tamsin was utterly wonderful and compelling. She added what I cannot define easily but a ‘lilt’ to her phrasing which lifted the music off the page and straight into my heart. So slavonic, Tamsin is, apparently, ‘to the manner born’.


                              Please check it out on SOUNDS


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                              • Andrew Slater
                                Full Member
                                • Mar 2007
                                • 1887

                                Originally posted by Andrew Slater View Post

                                At least they got the opus number correct for the Arnold!

                                What is stranger about this is that there's no record on the Faber Music website of this performance of Arnold's sixth in 2024. Furthermore the Ulster Orchestra programme for 2023-24 doesn't list Arnold, Bax, or Seal, but it could have been a studio performance, although the acoustic suggests not.

                                Listening again, I notice that the back-announcement, which was definitely there earlier, has been edited out (quite brutally!)
                                I've found mention of a concert on X: it was May THIS year, not last - the 22nd. Can we believe anything they say on the radio?

                                According to the X post:

                                The BBC welcomes you to a FREE lunchtime concert, tomorrow at 1.05pm. Experience the Ulster Orchestra live in the Ulster Hall, Belfast as they perform a thrilling programme of Foulds' Le Cabaret Overture, Vaughan Williams' Tallis Fantasia and Arnold's Symphony No.6 with conductor Michael Seal.

                                I suspect the RVW was broadcast in August, but the Foulds is still waiting.

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