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  • LMcD
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    • Sep 2017
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    I'd assumed - incorrectly, it turns out - that the non-BBC concerts that feature in Classical Live were provided by other broadcasters, but Mark Forrest informs us that recording vans are dispatched to record them (or at least some of them).

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    • smittims
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      • Aug 2022
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      Yesterday Linton Stephens told us that when Strauss composed Macbeth he had already written Don Juan and Also Sprach Zarathustra.

      This is not correct. Both these works were composed after Macbeth. Even its 1891 revison was still several years before Zarathustra.

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      • LMcD
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        • Sep 2017
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        I was definitely taken with Edward Gregson's Viola Concerto - aka The Three Goddesses - which was the final work on today's Classical Live, which has been marking his 80th birthday this week.

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        • Pulcinella
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          • Feb 2014
          • 13152

          Originally posted by LMcD View Post
          I was definitely taken with Edward Gregson's Viola Concerto - aka The Three Goddesses - which was the final work on today's Classical Live, which has been marking his 80th birthday this week.
          The CD (due out 14 November 2025), which includes two other concertos (and two other pieces) gets a good review in November's Gramophone.

          A Vision in A Dream - Concertos By Edward Gregson. Chandos: CHAN20356. Buy CD or download online. Ross Knight (soloist), Edward Gregson (soloist), Rachel Roberts (soloist), Jennifer Galloway (soloist), BBC Philharmonic, Ben Gernon

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          • cloughie
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            • Dec 2011
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            Hearing the Violaised version of the Brahms Clarinet Quintet I ask the question - Why dull down?

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            • LMcD
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              • Sep 2017
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              Originally posted by cloughie View Post
              Hearing the Violaised version of the Brahms Clarinet Quintet I ask the question - Why dull down?
              For some reason I read that as 'violated' to start with.

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              • smittims
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                • Aug 2022
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                I know a viola version of the Brahms clarinet trio,which I enjoy as a viable alrernative, as I do with the op. 120 sonatas, but I haven't heard one of the quintet.

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                • smittims
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                  • Aug 2022
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                  Sady, another incorrect statement by Linton Stephens , who told us yesterday that a 'Rhapsody' for piano and orchestra by Vaughan Williams, which he said was 'lost' until 2010, would be broadcast this aftrenoon.

                  I know of no such work, The Fantasia for piano and orchestra is scheduled for broadcast in today's programme, but according to Kennedy it has rested safely in the British Library for many years under reference 57276. He describes it in some detail , which would be unlikely if it were lost.

                  I can no longer trust anything Mr.Stephens says. I think he should give up introducing the music and just play it.

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                  • LMcD
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                    • Sep 2017
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                    Originally posted by smittims View Post
                    Sady, another incorrect statement by Linton Stephens , who told us yesterday that a 'Rhapsody' for piano and orchestra by Vaughan Williams, which he said was 'lost' until 2010, would be broadcast this aftrenoon.

                    I know of no such work, The Fantasia for piano and orchestra is scheduled for broadcast in today's programme, but according to Kennedy it has rested safely in the British Library for many years under reference 57276. He describes it in some detail , which would be unlikely if it were lost.

                    I can no longer trust anything Mr.Stephens says. I think he should give up introducing the music and just play it.
                    Problems with foreign languages are one thing - a few tips on the pronunciation of the titles of German works in particular wouldn't come amiss - but are probably less of a crime than the invention of works that never existed. You're right about the 'Piano Rhapsody' of course.
                    Last edited by LMcD; 11-11-25, 10:24.

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                    • oddoneout
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                      • Nov 2015
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                      Originally posted by smittims View Post
                      Sady, another incorrect statement by Linton Stephens , who told us yesterday that a 'Rhapsody' for piano and orchestra by Vaughan Williams, which he said was 'lost' until 2010, would be broadcast this aftrenoon.

                      I know of no such work, The Fantasia for piano and orchestra is scheduled for broadcast in today's programme, but according to Kennedy it has rested safely in the British Library for many years under reference 57276. He describes it in some detail , which would be unlikely if it were lost.

                      I can no longer trust anything Mr.Stephens says. I think he should give up introducing the music and just play it.
                      Or request a more reliable AI script writer?

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                      • Pulcinella
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                        • Feb 2014
                        • 13152

                        Originally posted by oddoneout View Post

                        Or request a more reliable AI script writer?
                        No budget.
                        They'll be saving every penny in case Trump sues them.

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                        • Ein Heldenleben
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                          • Apr 2014
                          • 8719

                          Originally posted by smittims View Post
                          Sady, another incorrect statement by Linton Stephens , who told us yesterday that a 'Rhapsody' for piano and orchestra by Vaughan Williams, which he said was 'lost' until 2010, would be broadcast this aftrenoon.

                          I know of no such work, The Fantasia for piano and orchestra is scheduled for broadcast in today's programme, but according to Kennedy it has rested safely in the British Library for many years under reference 57276. He describes it in some detail , which would be unlikely if it were lost.

                          I can no longer trust anything Mr.Stephens says. I think he should give up introducing the music and just play it.
                          The third Norfolk Rhapsody was lost and reconstructed by David Matthews in 2016 . I wonder whether there’s been a bit of research confusion ?
                          I’ve not heard it and would be very intrigued to…

                          The Fantasia for Piano and Orchestra is on now. It was apparently rediscovered and recorded by Mark Bebbington in 2010. The score was in the British Library as you say,


                          Last edited by Ein Heldenleben; 11-11-25, 14:22.

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                          • smittims
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                            • Aug 2022
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                            That Norfolk March was a curiosity. Mr. Matthews seemed to start with the intention of reconstructing the lost VW work, and was doing quite well until he seemed to get fed up with it and start writing a very different piece of his own, at which point the quality of the music, and my desire to hear it, plummeted. Most odd.

                            Having listened to today's broadcast I can see the source of the 'lost' error. Mark Bebbington (who made the first recording of the VW Fantasia for Piano and orchestra) 'discovered ' it in the British Libarary in 2010. But that doesn't mean it was 'lost', simply that he didn't know it was there! ... or not until he'd read Michael Kennedy's book, anyway!

                            At least Linton Stephens didn't claim today's recording of the work was 'a performance you won't hear anywhere else' as it was released on a CD last year, and indeed broadcast then .
                            Last edited by smittims; 11-11-25, 14:44.

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                            • Ein Heldenleben
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                              • Apr 2014
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                              Originally posted by smittims View Post
                              That Norfolk March was a curiosity. Mr. Matthews seemed to start with the intention of reconstructing the lost VW work, and was doing quite well until he seemed to get fed up with it and start writing a very different piece of his own, at which point the quality of the music, and my desire to hearit, plummeted. Most odd.
                              There’s a another completion apparently.
                              Not heard the Piano Rhapsody before (or recently can’t be categorical ) . Rather “grandiose “ for RVW I think ….

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                              • LMcD
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                                • Sep 2017
                                • 10899

                                Originally posted by Ein Heldenleben View Post

                                The third Norfolk Rhapsody was lost and reconstructed by David Matthews in 2016 . I wonder whether there’s been a bit of research confusion ?
                                I’ve not heard it and would be very intrigued to…

                                The Fantasia for Piano and Orchestra is on now. It was apparently rediscovered and recorded by Mark Bebbington in 2010. The score was in the British Library as you say,

                                I have the Naxos recording with Sina Kloke and the Chamber Orchestra of New York, recorded in 2015. The track is identified as 'Fantasia for Piano and Orchestra (1896-1902, rev. 1904).'

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