The Eternal Breakfast Debate in a New Place

[french frank]

Should anyone be interested here is what I found ..........on Wednesday in 3 hours we had 25 pieces of music averaging 6 mins 12 seconds on 22/09/2015 it was 23 pieces in 2 and a half hours averaging 5 minutes 27 seconds.

On Wednesday we had 9 trailers in total at 9 minutes and 9 seconds in total ...... on 22/09/2015 14 trailers at 11 minutes and 4 secs ......

Yes, we've been suffering for a long time! Ten years ago Alan Davey took over, and by several metrics he was worse than Roger Wright. Morning on 3 was no great shakes, but it was better than Breakfast which for me was never listenable. I gave up regular listening to Morning on 3 and never bothered with Breakfast (with a capital B).

[eighthobstruction]

....good ferreting Anton....

....Eeee a real modern man would use words like metrics........that's data retrieval, that is

[antongould]

....good ferreting Anton....

....Eeee a real modern man would use words like metrics........that's data retrieval, that is

a real missed opportunity 8o …… I will never forgive myself

[antongould]

Yes, we've been suffering for a long time! Ten years ago Alan Davey took over, and by several metrics he was worse than Roger Wright. Morning on 3 was no great shakes, but it was better than Breakfast which for me was never listenable. I gave up regular listening to Morning on 3 and never bothered with Breakfast (with a capital B).

……. and I remain a scarily regular listener - but hopefully there is room for chalk and cheese hereabouts, even if the chalk mountain is much, much smaller than the cheese mountain ……

[french frank]

……. and I remain a scarily regular listener - but hopefully there is room for chalk and cheese hereabouts, even if the chalk mountain is much, much smaller than the cheese mountain ……

For me the cheese mountain has collapsed and become a chalk mountain. If anyone knows a snappier word for 'metrics' (meaning measuring how many people listen per week, measuring what percentage of the population listens, measuring how many hours per week people listen, measuring how much an hour's broadcasting costs per listener, measuring how many full length pieces are played per day compared with shorter pieces, measuring how many programme trails and promotional announcements there are on average per hour &c) do tell me

[Pulcinella]

For me the cheese mountain has collapsed and become a chalk mountain. If anyone knows a snappier word for 'metrics' (meaning measuring how many people listen per week, measuring what percentage of the population listens, measuring how many hours per week people listen, measuring how much an hour's broadcasting costs per listener, measuring how many full length pieces are played per day compared with shorter pieces, measuring how many programme trails and promotional announcements there are on average per hour &c) do tell me

At least it's snappier than imperialics, which is presumably what Rees-Mogg and his ilk would prefer.
(I see lots of confusion, some genuine, most simply incorrect, between meter and metre these days!)

[antongould]

For me the cheese mountain has collapsed and become a chalk mountain. If anyone knows a snappier word for 'metrics' (meaning measuring how many people listen per week, measuring what percentage of the population listens, measuring how many hours per week people listen, measuring how much an hour's broadcasting costs per listener, measuring how many full length pieces are played per day compared with shorter pieces, measuring how many programme trails and promotional announcements there are on average per hour &c) do tell me

no no …. the cheese mountain is alive, large and well on here ……. for metrics you need 8o …….

[Old Grumpy]

Must admit I'm completely lost as to what is chalk and what is cheese here!

En-passant this Google AI introduction to the concept of chalk and cheese may be of interest (or not) to boardees:

The idiom "chalk and cheese" refers to two things that are entirely different from each. The phrase has been used since the late 14th century, with the earliest known example appearing in John Gower's Confessio Amantis in 1393. The contrast highlights how distinct the two substances are in appearance and texture, with chalk being a soft, white, powdery material and cheese a solid, often yellow or orange, food.
Here's a more detailed look at the history:

• Early Usage: The expression "chalk and cheese" first appeared in the late 1300s.
• John Gower's Confessio Amantis: An example of this early usage is found in this work by John Gower.
• Contrast in Appearance: Chalk and cheese are inherently different in appearance. Chalk is a white, powdery substance, while cheese comes in various colors and textures, but generally has a solid form.
• Figurative Meaning: The phrase is used to emphasize the vast difference between two things or people.
• Similar Idioms: Other expressions like "apples and oranges" convey the same idea of being completely different.
• Alternative Meanings: Some scholars suggest that the phrase might have had an original meaning related to a glue-like substance created by mixing chalk and cheese, which was used in restoration.

[french frank]

Must admit I'm completely lost as to what is chalk and what is cheese here!

Me too. I was using cheese to mean something of which I am extremely fond - so not much on R3 these days. I suppose chalk has its uses but not to me

I am grateful to Art I for their information though I might require further clarification on some points of the explanation

[oddoneout]

• Alternative Meanings: Some scholars suggest that the phrase might have had an original meaning related to a glue-like substance created by mixing chalk and cheese, which was used in restoration.

As here: https://www.wealddown.co.uk/museum-n...0hall%20houses.
I'm assuming it's the chemical reaction between acid in the sour milk and the chalk that is the relevant action in creating a hard surface, although the the casein in the milk might also play a part?

[antongould]

Must admit I'm completely lost as to what is chalk and what is cheese here!

En-passant this Google AI introduction to the concept of chalk and cheese may be of interest (or not) to boardees:

The idiom "chalk and cheese" refers to two things that are entirely different from each. The phrase has been used since the late 14th century, with the earliest known example appearing in John Gower's Confessio Amantis in 1393. The contrast highlights how distinct the two substances are in appearance and texture, with chalk being a soft, white, powdery material and cheese a solid, often yellow or orange, food.
Here's a more detailed look at the history:

• Early Usage: The expression "chalk and cheese" first appeared in the late 1300s.
• John Gower's Confessio Amantis: An example of this early usage is found in this work by John Gower.
• Contrast in Appearance: Chalk and cheese are inherently different in appearance. Chalk is a white, powdery substance, while cheese comes in various colors and textures, but generally has a solid form.
• Figurative Meaning: The phrase is used to emphasize the vast difference between two things or people.
• Similar Idioms: Other expressions like "apples and oranges" convey the same idea of being completely different.
• Alternative Meanings: Some scholars suggest that the phrase might have had an original meaning related to a glue-like substance created by mixing chalk and cheese, which was used in restoration.

Apologies for, as so often, confusing everyone …. the chalk mountain consists, as I saw it, of people here who listen to Breakfast and the cheese mountain those who don’t - sorry

[vinteuil]

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... perhaps the problem lies with things like brie and camembert, which begin as inedible chalk before turning into a (too) gooey cheese

Where and when does one find the perfect balance

(Which is a cheese, lest there be any confusion here... )

[eighthobstruction]

I am 73, and have things in need of restoration....but you will not find me covered in this glue-like substance....

I am sure French Frank is just busting to tell us ref John Gower's Confessio Amantis....(eating cheese while she does so....)....and the answer may be found not in the metre, but by way of - not everybody liked it - <<" not so much plain as threadbare">>

[french frank]

Apologies for, as so often, confusing everyone …. the chalk mountain consists, as I saw it, of people here who listen to Breakfast and the cheese mountain those who don’t - sorry

(and I don't do that often )

[Old Grumpy]

(and I don't do that often )