The Eternal Breakfast Debate in a New Place

[Ein Heldenleben]

Talking of Bach before 7... Fairly certain I heard TM say "shack-coney" the other day. I'd always thought it was "shack-on", but I have no real idea on how to pronounce it. Chaconne à son goût.

Might be Chacony in the context of the work by Purcell in G minor. I think Britten also uses the term in a string quartet.

[LMcD]

Might be Chacony in the context of the work by Purcell in G minor. I think Britten also uses the term in a string quartet.

The third movement of the 2nd string quartet.

[adventsnore]

There’s a religiosity to current-day Bach consumption that other composers just haven’t inspired, even if others are just-as-loved. It’s like a daily office.

If someone said people have an appetite for Bach like they do for sex, I'd think it a bit wide of the mark (either they don't know much about Bach-lovers, or they're ... idk, involved in some repopulation programme.)

[Old Grumpy]

The only Bach I can see in the Breakfast playlist is marked as an Allemande...


... so perhaps this may help:


In German, "chaconne" is still written as Chaconne or translated as Chiacona or Ciaccona, reflecting its roots in Spanish (chacona) and Italian (ciaccona) musical traditions. The term refers to a musical composition characterized by a repeated ground bass or ostinato and variations.
Here's a breakdown of the term:

• Chaconne (German):
  While the standard form in German is "Chaconne," it's important to note that the word retains its French spelling but is adopted directly into German musical terminology.
• Chacona (Spanish):
  The term originated from a Spanish dance and has a similar spelling, according to Wikipedia.
• Ciaccona (Italian):
  The form in Italian is "ciaccona".
• Basso Ostinato:
  The "Chaconne" in German refers to a musical form that is characterized by the basso ostinato, a short, repetitive bass line or ground bass.

[Courtesy Google AI]

[Ein Heldenleben]

The third movement of the 2nd string quartet.

That’s it. Written in homage to a composer Britten (rightly ) venerated.

[LMcD]

The only Bach I can see in the Breakfast playlist is marked as an Allemande...


... so perhaps this may help:


In German, "chaconne" is still written as Chaconne or translated as Chiacona or Ciaccona, reflecting its roots in Spanish (chacona) and Italian (ciaccona) musical traditions. The term refers to a musical composition characterized by a repeated ground bass or ostinato and variations.
Here's a breakdown of the term:

• Chaconne (German):
  While the standard form in German is "Chaconne," it's important to note that the word retains its French spelling but is adopted directly into German musical terminology.
• Chacona (Spanish):
  The term originated from a Spanish dance and has a similar spelling, according to Wikipedia.
• Ciaccona (Italian):
  The form in Italian is "ciaccona".
• Basso Ostinato:
  The "Chaconne" in German refers to a musical form that is characterized by the basso ostinato, a short, repetitive bass line or ground bass.

[Courtesy Google AI]

The Britten movement in question is also marked 'sostenuto'.

[Serial_Apologist]

I just say Passacaglia, to rhyme with Camille Paglia.

[oddoneout]

The only Bach I can see in the Breakfast playlist is marked as an Allemande...[/I]]

But playlists can be wrong...
Wiki has this about BWV1004:

The most famous part of the work is the Chaconne (or Ciaconna).Structure

[edit]
I. Allemanda
Duration: 3 minutes and 2 seconds.3:02

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V. Ciaccona
Duration: 12 minutes and 31 seconds.12:31

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Problems playing these files? See media help.

1. Allemande
2. Corrente
3. Sarabanda
4. Giga
5. Ciaccona

I didn't have the radio on then so playing the clips wouldn't clarify which movement was played.

[french frank]

I think it was the Britten's use of 'Chacony' (itself borrowed from Purcell) that inspired Robert Saxton to use it in his piano piece, this being an Aldeburgh commission.

Yes, in the correct historical context it would be pronounced chacony. But that isn't how chaconne is pronounced, so it depends on the music being introduced.

PS I mentally pronounce it as if it were French for which there seems little(?) justification.

[smittims]

I'm just relieved that no-one's said 'chaconne a son gout'.

[oddoneout]

I'm just relieved that no-one's said 'chaconne a son gout'.

Indeed - Aunt Daisy could only write it ...

[LMcD]

I'm just relieved that no-one's said 'chaconne a son gout'.

Don't think I wasn't tempted!

[AuntDaisy]

Thanks for all the chaconne / chacony pronunciation help. I live and learn. (We're in Pembrokeshire enjoying the weather).

[kernelbogey]

I fell across Hannah French presenting Breakfast this morning. Is she now the regular Saturday presenter? It might allow me to return, if so: she's one of my top R3 presenters.

[antongould]

I fell across Hannah French presenting Breakfast this morning. Is she now the regular Saturday presenter? It might allow me to return, if so: she's one of my top R3 presenters.

I have been wondering about this kb …. has there been any official announcement…. ????? Have Aunt Daisy and ff been consulted …. ???