What Classical Music Are You listening to Now? IV

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  • Serial_Apologist
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    • Dec 2010
    • 39353

    My father spent a good deal of his time recording 20th century music onto reel-to-reels from Radio 3 during the 1960s, 70s and 80s. From these I was able to pick up much of the knowledge I gleaned about modern music, for which this was one of the few things I am eternally grateful to him. Before moving here in 2004 I made the most of the fact that his by then very old tape recorder was still just about performing to transfer what for me were the most valuable recordings onto audio cassettes, from which I now offer youtubes of two works broadcast in 1967 under the programme title The British String Quartet: Cyril Scott's Second String Quartet of 1951 - not 1960, as I had previously thought - and Alexander Goehr's Second String Quartet of 1967. I am particularly fortunate in that Goehr's own introduction to his work is included as a preamble in my tape. I always think of this quartet as Schoenberg's Fifth, since its idiom is most closely foreshadowed in Schoenberg's Fourth Quartet, and the extraordinary, late String Trio - for me one of my favourite works of his. It is one Goehr piece I can never have enough of.

    The Scott is a fascinating example of his late work. He once asked Debussy if he found similarities between their music - to which Debussy is said to have replied in the negative; nevertheless he did at some point write to the effect that whereas he (Debussy) felt himself played out in the sense of having nothing further to contribute to music's evolution, Scott was the one who represented the future. Scott had devised a harmonic method of composing based on a chord similar to the "mystic chord" of Scriabin during the First World War period, which he pretty much stuck to for the remainder of his life, leading his music into expressive regions ever more remote from conventional tonality, while often resulting in a strange meandering sense of directionlessness which might be accounted for by his esoteric beliefs. The Second Quartet is more focussed than other works of this period, while bearing all the abovementioned harmonic hallmarks, and idiomatically betrays similarities to Vaughan Williams not otherwise apparent in his music, particularly in the slow second movement. The whole work holds an air of mystery that I find utterly bewitching.

    The Goehr comes first.




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    • richardfinegold
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      • Sep 2012
      • 8460

      Prokofiev, PC3/4, Browning/Leinsdorf/ Boston. The Fourth is exceptional here.
      This is a private group, where people can come and share what classical or jazz music they are listening too or have something they want to talk about.

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      • smittims
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        • Aug 2022
        • 6255

        I have a cassette of Goehr's Third quartet, which I admire, ad Scott's fourth symphony, a surprisingly passionate work from the 1950s. I can just remember hearing him speak thr radio , in the early days of Radio 3 .

        I've just been listening to Grace Williams' first symphony from yesterday's Classical Live. Rather a ragged performance, but a powerful piece.

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        • teamsaint
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          • Nov 2010
          • 25517

          Haydn Flute Trios Hob 15/17. van Oort/ Moonen/ ter Linden

          I had overlooked these previously, but they really are lovely works, and this scoring works exceptionally well.





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          • cloughie
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            • Dec 2011
            • 22717

            Mozart PCs arranged for P, SQ and DB - Alan Goldstein and Fine Arts SQ.

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            • richardfinegold
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              • Sep 2012
              • 8460

              Respighi, Ancient Airs and Dances,Dorati/Philharmonica Hungarica

              i love this music

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              • Stanfordian
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                • Dec 2010
                • 9563

                Zemlinsky
                Die Seejungfrau (The Mermaid): orchestral fantasy
                Es war einmal (Once upon a time): Prelude and Interlude, from the fairy tale opera
                ORF Radio Symphonieorchester, Wien / Cornelius Meister
                Recorded live 2010 Konzerthaus (Die Seejungfrau): 2012 ORF Sendesaal (Es war einmal), Vienna
                CPO, CD

                Mahler – 20 Lieder
                Christian Gerhaher (baritone)
                Gerold Huber (piano)
                Recorded 2009, Großer Saal der Hochschule für Musik und Theater, Munich
                Sony, RCA Red Seal, CD

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                • vinteuil
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                  • Nov 2010
                  • 14144

                  Originally posted by cloughie View Post
                  Mozart PCs arranged for P, SQ and DB - Alan Goldstein and Fine Arts SQ.
                  ... thank you - this looks interesting, I must investigate : I see there are currently five CDs available (9&17, 18&22, 19&25, 20&21, 23&24) - do you know whether he has done / is doing any more?

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                  • cloughie
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                    • Dec 2011
                    • 22717

                    Originally posted by vinteuil View Post

                    ... thank you - this looks interesting, I must investigate : I see there are currently five CDs available (9&17, 18&22, 19&25, 20&21, 23&24) - do you know whether he has done / is doing any more?

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                    I don’t think so but wouldn’t be surprised to see more - seems to be ongoing - the earliest of them was 2015, the most recent last month - 26/27 not yet done as far as I can discern. You will probably already be familiar with the Peter Frankl 11/12/13 to a similar formula with ECO members from 2017.
                    Last edited by cloughie; 16-10-25, 12:54.

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                    • vinteuil
                      Full Member
                      • Nov 2010
                      • 14144

                      Originally posted by cloughie View Post
                      . You will probably already be familiar with the Peter Frankl 11/12/13 to a similar formula with ECO members from 2017.
                      ... ah, no, I don't know that one : I have rootled about a bit and the CD seems to be no longer available

                      I can much recommend Fumiko Shiraga in seven concertos (plus symphony 40) in Hummel's arrangement for piano/flute/violin/cello



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                      • pastoralguy
                        Full Member
                        • Nov 2010
                        • 8391

                        Franz Schubert. Die schöne Müllerin.

                        Ian Bostridge, tenor.

                        Dietrich Fischer-Dieskau, reader.

                        Graham Johnson, piano.

                        To be perfectly honest, I’m only listening to this cd because I picked it up for 50p in a charity shop and thought a friend might appreciate it. The disc has seen a bit of life so I wanted to check it played ok but I’m actually quite enjoying it. Very well sung. The recording is excellent.

                        This reminds me of a story a friend told me about F-D. He wanted to begin a career as a conductor and secured a couple of dates with the BBC Scottish SO. He was conducting Schubert 5 and would sing the phrasing he wanted. My friend’s desk partner turned to him and remarked, ‘He’s not much of a conductor but he’s got quite a nice voice!’

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                        • oliver sudden
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                          • Feb 2024
                          • 1286

                          Originally posted by cloughie View Post

                          I don’t think so but wouldn’t be surprised to see more - seems to be ongoing - the earliest of them was 2015, the most recent last month - 26/27 not yet done as far as I can discern. You will probably already be familiar with the Peter Frankl 11/12/13 to a similar formula with ECO members from 2017.
                          11–13 are a bit of a special case, though, in that Mozart himself published them as suitable for performance with just string quartet as the ‘orchestra’.

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                          • cloughie
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                            • Dec 2011
                            • 22717

                            Originally posted by oliver sudden View Post
                            11–13 are a bit of a special case, though, in that Mozart himself published them as suitable for performance with just string quartet as the ‘orchestra’.
                            Indeed so!

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                            • smittims
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                              • Aug 2022
                              • 6255

                              Peter and the Wolf : Orchestre de Paris , Igor Markevich with Peter Ustinov, Fench narrator.

                              I think this is my favourite version. Ustinov throws himself into this part with brilliantly rhetorical rendering.

                              They also did The Young Person's Guide to the Orchestra, and though this is 'straighter ', (though notso staright as Peter Pears' sober performance in Markevitch's earlier recording) there are still thoughts of humour:

                              'La Harpe est une coquette'. that would probably be banned today.

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                              • vinteuil
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                                • Nov 2010
                                • 14144

                                Originally posted by cloughie View Post

                                You will probably already be familiar with the Peter Frankl 11/12/13 to a similar formula with ECO members from 2017.
                                ... aha! I thought it rang a bell, but couldn't see it on the shelves.

                                But it is in the big Mozart 225 box...

                                Another approach for concertos 10, 12, and 13 -



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