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  • AuntDaisy
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    • Jun 2018
    • 1938

    Originally posted by Pulcinella View Post
    Thanks for that.
    I'll see what the Tallis Scholars booklet says about it all.
    Sublime music, whoever wrote it!

    I think the 1988 Tallis Scholars booklet pre-dates the uncertainty - hence the "... two composers called William Cornysh, father and son" caveat on their webpage.
    (Must check if Donald M mentions it in his Chapel Royal COTW.)


    In Stephen Darlington's "The Door to Paradise" CD set (Presto refers to "WC the Elder"), Timothy Symons' notes say:
    "The William Cornysh represented on this recording was probably not the Master of the Children of the Chapel Royal who dies in 1523 (mentioned in the letter to Wolsey quoted and referred to in a contemporary manuscript as "William Cornysh junior"), but the first informator choristarum at St. Peter's Abbey, Westminster, from 1479 to 1491. The latter, quite possibly the father of the former, enjoyed a prosperous life in Westminster after retiring from service at the Abbey and died in 1502."


    The Sixteen Harry Christophers "Eton Choirbook Collection" refers to William Cornysh the elder (d. 1502) - mercifully the notes miss out junior.


    And David Skinner (The Cardinall's Musick Cornysh) continues...

    "It is also interesting to compare the compositional styles of Cornysh and Fayrfax, who are each represented by eight and six works respectively in the Eton Choir book, Fayrfax certainly appears to be one of the youngest composers represented in Eton; Salve Regina his only complete composition to have survived in this source, is certainly an early work, and is stylistically far removed from anything else known by Fayrfax. The works by Cornysh in Eton, however, are all clearly from the pen of a mature composer (especially his famous Salve Regina and Ave Maria, mater Dei). Indeed, Cornysh's Magnificat is firmly rooted in the style of the Eton manuscript and,when compared with Fayrfax's works, would seem to come from a much earlier generation.
    All this is not to suggest that William Cornysh junlor did not compose Latin church music, but that he is unlikely to be the Cornysh represented in the Eton Choirbook. One clue as to the true identity of this composer may lie in the content f the Caius Choirbook, an enormous manuscript which seems to have been produced at Arundel, Sussex, in the late 1520s, and presented by the then Master of Arundel College, Edward Higgons (d.1538), to the collegiate chapel of St Stephen in Westminster, where Higgons was a canon from 1517. The book contains works by five composers and its conttents dominated by the Masses and Magnficats of Robert Fayrfax (1464-1521) and Nicholas Ludlord (c. 1490-1557), the latter being verger and organist of St Stephen's Chapel from the mid 1520s.
    Edmund Turges and Henry Prentes are represented with one Magnificat each, and William Pashe fares slightly better with the inclusion of his Mass Christus resurgens.
    The fact that these men all have London and/or Westminster connections has been observed by others. However, it has gone unnoticed that, more rernarkably, they form a regular progression through successive generations of local composers. This is evident from their dates of admission to the Fraternity of St Nicholas (or the London Guild of Parish Clerks). The earliest composer in the choirbook is Edmund Turges, who joined the Fraternily in 1469.
    ...
    Fayrfax and Prentes joined the Fraternity in 1502, Pasha in 1513, and finally Nicholas Ludford in 1521. The odd man out is William Cornysh 'junior', who never became a member of the Guild. However, the earlier William Cornysh, presumably the father, joined in 1480, conveniently filling the gap between Turges and Fayrfax (Cornysh's death in 1502 is recorded in the same fraternity's records)."


    Last edited by AuntDaisy; 09-11-24, 14:52.

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    • oliver sudden
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      • Feb 2024
      • 763

      Originally posted by smittims View Post
      When it was reissued on CD I noticed a curious drop in pitch about five minures into the first movement , as if someone had put their thumb on the tape machine. Having acquired a copy of the original LP I was interested to see if it displayed the same fault. It is worse. Two or three times there is a pause in the music and sometimes a similar mis-match of pitch.

      I suppose the recording was dubbed from 78s and no-one checked. This is rare for Decca, who were usually much more precise. And no-one seems to have noticed, the Record Guide in particular praising the recording. To make up for it, I think this is a magnificent performance , worthy to stand beside its rivals, Edwin Fischer and Furtwangler on HMV and Gieseking and Karajan on Columbia.
      This reminds me of the Busch/Serkin recording of Brahms op. 25. Only relatively recently has there been a remastering without a quarter-tone drop in (I think) the first movement. And in the slow movement there’s an awful discontinuity where they’ve played to the end of the 78rpm side with far too much finality but of course on CD the show must go on!

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      • smittims
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        • Aug 2022
        • 4847

        In the days of 78s some believed that 'you must end a record gracefully' ( a remark attributed to Leopold Stokowski, who was very interested in up-to-date recording technlogy). Others had an eye to the future when 78 sides would be 'joined up ' end-to-end in LP transfers, where such transitions sound odd, like an unwarranted ritardando. And sometimes a few notes were missed , as in the start of the third movement of Beethoven 5 in Furtwangler's 1926 recording. And speaking of Serkin and Busch ,there's an odd transition in the first movement of K449 (E flat concerto). I haven't had a chance to hear it on 78s but the Pearl transfer is curious.

        (Hmmm. I think I'll take my anorak off now!)

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        • oliver sudden
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          • Feb 2024
          • 763

          Originally posted by smittims View Post
          And speaking of Serkin and Busch ,there's an odd transition in the first movement of K449 (E flat concerto). I haven't had a chance to hear it on 78s but the Pearl transfer is curious.
          By coincidence there is a _very_ odd transition in that movement that Mozart actually wrote—the piano comes to the end of a solo passage and seems to be cadencing in Eb but the orchestra plunges in in C minor and pulls the rug out from under it. It was too shocking for the old complete edition and they added a bar to smooth it over, so of course there are many recordings of this polite version as well. The first time I listened to the Mozart version was actually very recent and I was glad the kids weren’t around because there was audible swearing.

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          • smittims
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            • Aug 2022
            • 4847

            Thanks, oliver. I was unaware of the emendation you mention.

            My last listening was Mahler's first symphony : the Vienna Philharmonic, Rafael Kubelik. Ace of Clubs ACL188

            There's no doubt who's playing here. This is a thoroughly idiomatic performance; the music might have been written for them . It makes one wonder why the Vienna Phil didn't record more Mahler, but sadly, I gather he's not all that popular in Vienna.
            Last edited by smittims; 10-11-24, 14:00.

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            • vinteuil
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              • Nov 2010
              • 13250

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              Henri-Joseph Rigel [ Wertheim 1741 - Paris 1799 ]

              Symphonies, Concerto Köln

              my kinda music to go with a Sunday lunch : in these worrisome times good to have a window on a form of civilization ...

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              • AuntDaisy
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                • Jun 2018
                • 1938

                Originally posted by vinteuil View Post
                Henri-Joseph Rigel [ Wertheim 1741 - Paris 1799 ]
                Symphonies, Concerto Köln

                my kinda music to go with a Sunday lunch : in these worrisome times good to have a window on a form of civilization ...
                Is it this one? Another composer totally new to me - thanks vinteuil. Testing the water on Naxos Music Library (via our local Library)...



                Was he also a revolutionary cook?

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                • vinteuil
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                  • Nov 2010
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                  Originally posted by AuntDaisy View Post
                  Is it this one? Another composer totally new to me - thanks vinteuil. Testing the water on Naxos Music Library (via our local Library)...


                  ... indeed so

                  Originally posted by AuntDaisy View Post
                  Was he also a revolutionary cook?
                  ... naughty - as you well know a souffle is not a soufflé. I did hear an extract from that disc (on Radio 3!) and it sounded interesting : I'm such a cheapskate that I'm going to wait until I can get it cheaper...

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                  • MickyD
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                    • Nov 2010
                    • 4963

                    I got the Rigel disc when it came out.

                    Aunt Daisy, do some research into some of the earlier discs that Concerto Koln made for Capriccio and Teldec. Some very interesting programmes of music by Brunetti, Durante, Vanhal, Field, Kozeluh, Kraus, Eberl, Gossec, Dussek, Dall'Abbaco etc. Also some compilations of Spanish and Neapolitan baroque and music at the time of the French Revolution. All brilliantly played and recorded.

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                    • smittims
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                      • Aug 2022
                      • 4847

                      Liszt: A Faust Symphony. The Royal Philharmonic orchestra conducted by Sir Thomas Beecham with Alexander Young and the Beecham choral society. An HMV recording made at Kingsway Hall in 1958 by Victor Olof.

                      I've long regarded this as one of the very best recorded performances of any piece of music. One senses that everyone involved was out to give their very best: one of those happy occasions when everything goes right . The work itself has a personal fascination for some people . Constant Lambert loved it so much he quoted short progressions in two of his works. Leonard Bernstein, who recorded it twice, considered it Liszt's masterpiece.

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                      • Master Jacques
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                        • Feb 2012
                        • 2170

                        "That Sweet City"
                        Leighton: Veris gratia; Vaughan Williams: An Oxford Elegy

                        Rowan Atkinson (reciter), Nick Pritchard (tenor)
                        Choir of Queen's College Oxford, Britten Sinfonia
                        c. Owen Rees
                        (Signum classics, SIGCD917)

                        The premiere recording of Kenneth Leighton's early cantata (1951) proves delightful: it's a fresh, confident work setting texts from Catullus and the Carmina Burana dealing with love and spring, with pastoral ambience and sweet energy. It is also well done by the Queen's College forces. The important solo flautist (David Cuthbert) is excellent, the solo tenor almost as good. It's odd that the soprano soloist (presumably from the choir) is not credited, as she has an important role in one of the work's ten sections. Anyone who knows Leighton's oboe concerto (also called Veris gratia, and using some of the same material) will want to hear this.

                        An Oxford Elegy is not quite so successful. This is one of my desert-island works, and Signum's new recording doesn't quite meet the standard set by the famous King's College Cambridge recording under David Willcocks, with John Westbrook the ideal narrator. Rowan Atkinson is congenial and clearly loves the Arnold poems from which RVW drew his text, but he suffers from that actor's tic of pausing to relish random words, rather than letting the sense and rhythms speak for themselves. The use of female choristers seems anachronistic in a work wedded to 19th century Oxford and its university. Their tone is liquescent but over-sweet, and their diction is not as crystal-clear as Willcocks' Kings boys ("musk carnations" comes out as 'muscarnations'). An Oxford Elegy is always a pleasure to hear, but Veris gratia remains the main draw.

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                        • french frank
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                          • Feb 2007
                          • 30891

                          Ravel, Gaspard de la Nuit, Argerich, live Saarbrücken 1972 (recorded YouTube for private study ), based on the prose poems of Aloysius Bertrand).

                          It isn't given us to know those rare moments when people are wide open and the lightest touch can wither or heal. A moment too late and we can never reach them any more in this world.

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                          • Pulcinella
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                            • Feb 2014
                            • 11478

                            Originally posted by Master Jacques View Post
                            "That Sweet City"
                            Leighton: Veris gratia; Vaughan Williams: An Oxford Elegy

                            Rowan Atkinson (reciter), Nick Pritchard (tenor)
                            Choir of Queen's College Oxford, Britten Sinfonia
                            c. Owen Rees
                            (Signum classics, SIGCD917)

                            The premiere recording of Kenneth Leighton's early cantata (1951) proves delightful: it's a fresh, confident work setting texts from Catullus and the Carmina Burana dealing with love and spring, with pastoral ambience and sweet energy. It is also well done by the Queen's College forces. The important solo flautist (David Cuthbert) is excellent, the solo tenor almost as good. It's odd that the soprano soloist (presumably from the choir) is not credited, as she has an important role in one of the work's ten sections. Anyone who knows Leighton's oboe concerto (also called Veris gratia, and using some of the same material) will want to hear this.

                            An Oxford Elegy is not quite so successful. This is one of my desert-island works, and Signum's new recording doesn't quite meet the standard set by the famous King's College Cambridge recording under David Willcocks, with John Westbrook the ideal narrator. Rowan Atkinson is congenial and clearly loves the Arnold poems from which RVW drew his text, but he suffers from that actor's tic of pausing to relish random words, rather than letting the sense and rhythms speak for themselves. The use of female choristers seems anachronistic in a work wedded to 19th century Oxford and its university. Their tone is liquescent but over-sweet, and their diction is not as crystal-clear as Willcocks' Kings boys ("musk carnations" comes out as 'muscarnations'). An Oxford Elegy is always a pleasure to hear, but Veris gratia remains the main draw.

                            I'd mentioned this in New releases, and would concur, except to say that I think that the suite that Leighton made (effectively a concerto, as you say) works better than the whole thing, at least for me. And Willcocks is certainly not surpassed in the RVW. I don't particularly like the Nimbus Christ Church/Darlington version either, for that matter.

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                            • smittims
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                              • Aug 2022
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                              I was interested in the remark about women's voices in a work about Oxford. I admit this point had never occurred to me. I think VW included them because he liked the 'other-worldly' sound of women's choirs (e.g. Sinfonia Antartica) . He also liked women,of course, but that's another story...

                              I used to have a reel-to-reel tape if An Oxford Elegy with Bernard Miles as narrator. I think that was the most idiomatic performance I have ever heard (and no, he didn't do it in dialect). . Incidentally, I've read that the work was possibly an elegy for VW's friendship with Gustav Holst. The idea of harking back to one's youth is underlined by the use of a passage from his early tone poem Harnham Down.

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                              • Stanfordian
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                                • Dec 2010
                                • 9370

                                Rossini – ‘Semiramide’
                                opera in 2 acts (1823)
                                Semiramide - Albina Shagimuratova (soprano); Arsace - Daniela Barcellona (mezzo-soprano); Assur - Mirco Palazzi (bass); Idreno - Barry Banks (tenor); Oroe - Gianluca Buratto (bass); Azema - Susana Gaspar (soprano); Mitrane - David Butt Philip (tenor); Nino’s ghost - James Platt (bass)
                                Opera Rara Chorus,
                                Orchestra of the Age of Enlightenment / Sir Mark Elder (conductor)
                                Recorded 2016 Henry Wood Hall, London
                                Opera Rara, 4 CD set

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