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  • teamsaint
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    • Nov 2010
    • 25490

    Symphony cycles competition !

    A little lighthearted challenge that I thought might be fun !

    A point for each of the cycles listed of which you have heard every work live in the concert hall.

    Shostakovich symphonies.

    Mendelssohn symphonies

    Prokofiev symphonies

    Vaughan Williams symphonies

    Rachmaninoff three symphonies and four piano concertos

    Tchaikovsky six numbered symphonies plus Manfred

    Bernstein symphonies

    Sibelius symphonies

    Nielsen Symphonies

    Mahler symphonies including 10 in any form.

    Bruckner 1 to 9

    In the event of a tie, after a yet to be decided cut off date , points can be claimed for

    Martinu Symphonies
    Honegger symphonies
    Bax Symphonies
    Malcom Arnold symphonies ( clearly impossible though)
    Roussel Symphonies.
    Or anything else impressive!!


    zero for me Mahler is my best effort think.

    I reckon that Sibelius, Mahler and Rach are probably the most achievable given their popularity on schedules. RVW should pick up a few as well.

    ( The idea sparked at a DSCH 10 I was at tonight , and it occurred to me that not many people would have heard all 15 .)

    There are no prizes
    I will not be pushed, filed, stamped, indexed, briefed, debriefed or numbered. My life is my own.

    I am not a number, I am a free man.
  • smittims
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    • Aug 2022
    • 5951

    #2
    Is this a way of encouraging us to go to more concerts? I'm afraid it's a little late for me. It must be forty years since I last went to a symphony concert. I've heard both the Elgar symphonies conducted by Sir John Barbirolli but that's about it as far as complete series go. , I think.

    Anyway it's not really a 'competition' is it? It doesn't depend on ability .

    The only complete series I attended of any music was the Beethoven Sonatas played by Roger Woodward at the QEH around 1980, a memorable experience.

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    • teamsaint
      Full Member
      • Nov 2010
      • 25490

      #3
      Originally posted by smittims View Post
      Is this a way of encouraging us to go to more concerts? I'm afraid it's a little late for me. It must be forty years since I last went to a symphony concert. I've heard both the Elgar symphonies conducted by Sir John Barbirolli but that's about it as far as complete series go. , I think.

      Anyway it's not really a 'competition' is it? It doesn't depend on ability .

      The only complete series I attended of any music was the Beethoven Sonatas played by Roger Woodward at the QEH around 1980, a memorable experience.
      i just thought it might provide a little lighthearted food for thought.
      I will not be pushed, filed, stamped, indexed, briefed, debriefed or numbered. My life is my own.

      I am not a number, I am a free man.

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      • gradus
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        • Nov 2010
        • 5841

        #4
        A tough call, the only complete cycles for me would be Beethoven and Elgar.

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        • Petrushka
          Full Member
          • Nov 2010
          • 13025

          #5
          Originally posted by teamsaint View Post
          A little lighthearted challenge that I thought might be fun !

          A point for each of the cycles listed of which you have heard every work live in the concert hall.

          Shostakovich symphonies.

          Mendelssohn symphonies

          Prokofiev symphonies

          Vaughan Williams symphonies

          Rachmaninoff three symphonies and four piano concertos

          Tchaikovsky six numbered symphonies plus Manfred

          Bernstein symphonies

          Sibelius symphonies

          Nielsen Symphonies

          Mahler symphonies including 10 in any form.

          Bruckner 1 to 9

          In the event of a tie, after a yet to be decided cut off date , points can be claimed for

          Martinu Symphonies
          Honegger symphonies
          Bax Symphonies
          Malcom Arnold symphonies ( clearly impossible though)
          Roussel Symphonies.
          Or anything else impressive!!


          zero for me Mahler is my best effort think.

          I reckon that Sibelius, Mahler and Rach are probably the most achievable given their popularity on schedules. RVW should pick up a few as well.

          ( The idea sparked at a DSCH 10 I was at tonight , and it occurred to me that not many people would have heard all 15 .)

          There are no prizes
          I've heard all of the Mahler symphonies plus Das Lied von der Erde in concert more than once over and for a bonus point heard all but the 8th by Bernard Haitink.

          I've also heard all of the Sibelius symphonies (except Kullervo) in concert.

          Shostakovich and Bruckner are my best efforts otherwise with 2 & 3 missing for DSCH and 1 & 2 for Bruckner.

          I claim another bonus point for Elgar!
          "The sound is the handwriting of the conductor" - Bernard Haitink

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          • Ein Heldenleben
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            • Apr 2014
            • 8243

            #6
            Never seen a symphony cycle other than The Ring which is , arguably, symphonic, and a genuine cycle whereas all 9 (typically );symphonies done by the same band and baton waver just strikes me as a marketing exercise.
            Don’t think I’ll ever see the Ring again as I can’t face sitting through Das Rheingold.

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            • LMcD
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              • Sep 2017
              • 10221

              #7
              Originally posted by gradus View Post
              A tough call, the only complete cycles for me would be Beethoven and Elgar.
              100% of Elgar's symphonies, or 66.66% if you include the ' Third', and 50% of Walton's. .

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              • Petrushka
                Full Member
                • Nov 2010
                • 13025

                #8
                You'd think Beethoven would be the most straightforward one but I only just scrape in as I've heard the 2nd just the once (Norrington, 1989) and had to dig deep into the memory bank to recall that one! The rest, obviously, multiple times.
                "The sound is the handwriting of the conductor" - Bernard Haitink

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                • Petrushka
                  Full Member
                  • Nov 2010
                  • 13025

                  #9
                  I think that Rachmaninov and Mendelssohn are more difficult to achieve than might first appear. When has the Rach 1st Symphony been programmed or the Mendelssohn 1 & 2? Prokofiev is similarly tricky.
                  "The sound is the handwriting of the conductor" - Bernard Haitink

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                  • teamsaint
                    Full Member
                    • Nov 2010
                    • 25490

                    #10
                    Originally posted by Petrushka View Post
                    I think that Rachmaninov and Mendelssohn are more difficult to achieve than might first appear. When has the Rach 1st Symphony been programmed or the Mendelssohn 1 & 2? Prokofiev is similarly tricky.
                    I have heard Rach 1 at the RFH in about 2017 , ( LPO/ Jurowski) but it doesn’t get programmed nearly often enough. Such a brilliant work.

                    ( That’s why I put those two on the list as Rach PCs 1 and 4 don’t get programmed all that often, and also Mendelssohn 1 and 2.
                    I might usefully have added Schubert, but there are those pesky numbering issues )
                    Last edited by teamsaint; 04-10-25, 11:34.
                    I will not be pushed, filed, stamped, indexed, briefed, debriefed or numbered. My life is my own.

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                    • teamsaint
                      Full Member
                      • Nov 2010
                      • 25490

                      #11
                      Originally posted by Petrushka View Post

                      I've heard all of the Mahler symphonies plus Das Lied von der Erde in concert more than once over and for a bonus point heard all but the 8th by Bernard Haitink.

                      I've also heard all of the Sibelius symphonies (except Kullervo) in concert.

                      Shostakovich and Bruckner are my best efforts otherwise with 2 & 3 missing for DSCH and 1 & 2 for Bruckner.

                      I claim another bonus point for Elgar!
                      I was going to open a book, and your concert going allied with your extraordinary memory would have you comfortably odds on !!
                      I will not be pushed, filed, stamped, indexed, briefed, debriefed or numbered. My life is my own.

                      I am not a number, I am a free man.

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                      • Ein Heldenleben
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                        • Apr 2014
                        • 8243

                        #12
                        Ah if you mean the complete symphonies done by various bands as some people seem to assume then :

                        in which case Beethoven more than once , Mahler , and Bruckner bar 1 and 2 , Elgar and Walton.,

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                        • edashtav
                          Full Member
                          • Jul 2012
                          • 3857

                          #13
                          Originally posted by gradus View Post
                          A tough call, the only complete cycles for me would be Beethoven and Elgar.
                          I have managed those two, also

                          plus
                          all of Brahms, Sibelius and Walton,

                          all of Bruckner bar #1
                          all of Honegger bar #1 and #5
                          all of Mozart’s “last’ 10
                          all of Dvorak from #6 to #9
                          All of RVW bar #7 and #9

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                          • richardfinegold
                            Full Member
                            • Sep 2012
                            • 8327

                            #14
                            Zero for me. Mahler 10 has eluded me in the concert hall.
                            As an American RVW is near impossible to achieve, as he simply is never programmed here. Same with Arnold

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                            • LHC
                              Full Member
                              • Jan 2011
                              • 1707

                              #15
                              I think I can claim 8 points.

                              I've seen all the Shostakovich symphonies in bits and pieces over the years.

                              Mendelssohn's symphonies when JEG recorded them all with LSO

                              Similarly Prokofiev's symphonies with the LSO and Gergiev and more recently Noseda

                              Rachmaninoff three symphonies and four piano concertos

                              Tchaikovsky six numbered symphonies plus Manfred

                              Sibelius symphonies, mainly with Colin Davis as he programmed these relatively frequently

                              Nielsen Symphonies, but only because Colin Davis discovered these towards the end of his career and played them with the LSO (the only time I've seen any of them).

                              Mahler symphonies including 10 in any form. I've seen all of these, several more than once. when I first discovered Mahler, I saw the first five in order (although this wasn't planned), 1 with Rattle, 2 with Abbado, 3 with Levine and 4 and 5 with Tennstedt.

                              I've also seen complete cycles of the Beethoven symphonies with Rattle and Haitink and all the Elgar symphonies.

                              I do see a lot of live music as I usually go to 2 or 3 concerts or operas every week. For example, last week I saw Hugh Cutting and the English Concert at the Wigmore Hall, Tosca at Covent Garden and Cinderella at ENO.

                              Edited to add I can also claim to have seen all the Brahms, Schuman and Szymanowski symphonies and a possible bonus for all the Mozart piano concertos directed from the keyboard by Mitsuko Uchida.
                              Last edited by LHC; 04-10-25, 11:50.
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