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  • Roslynmuse
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    • Jun 2011
    • 1363

    #31
    I've seen most of Shostakovich - not No 2, and I'm not sure about 6, 11 or 12. Definitely seen all the others, 5 and 10 multiple times. I think the only Mendelssohn I've seen live is No 2 (twice) - unbelievably. Prokofiev - definitely 1 and 5 (memorably once when Yan Pascal Tortelier almost fell onto the front desk of cellos, so high did he leap at the end of mt 1 and so unbalanced was his descent); I think I've played in No 6 (piano? celeste? it was a long time ago) and heard Ted Downes and the BBC Phil do one of 2, 3 or 4 back in the 1990s. RVW - all of them; Rachmaninov - all 3 (although No 1 only once) and all the PCs including parts of a cycle in Liverpool c1984 with Peter Donohoe, and all four over two nights at the RNCM in 2006. All Tchaikovsky (No 3 only once), only Bernstein 2; all of Sibelius including parts of David Atherton's Liverpool cycle in 81 - 82 and all of Jon Storgards with the BBC Phil. Nielsen - I think I've heard them all live, but only 3, 4 and 5 more than once; Mahler - all of them including 2 x No 8, and - strangely - only 2 x No 7. Bruckner - only 4 - 8 (blind spot). Of the other composers mentioned, only Roussel 3. (When was the last time Roussel 2 - the one I consider his finest - performed in the UK?)
    Random others - Schubert - I get the early ones mixed up but I've definitely heard two of the first three, plus No 4, No 6 and Nos 8 and 9; Schumann - I think only No 2, twice; Liszt - Dante but not Faust; Brahms all but no cycles; Dvorak 1 and 5 - 9; Borodin No 2 only; Tippett 1 - 3 including No 3 conducted by the man himself; both Walton and both Elgar (Mark Elder several times), John Pickard No 2; Simpson No 9.
    It's a good question because for me it has made me wonder which composers I have avoided, which I have missed through bad luck (I can't believe I haven't heard Mendelssohn 3 and 4 live!) and which I simply haven't had the opportunity to hear. And which will I ever have the opportunity to hear? So much depends on the presence of a particular conductor with whichever orchestra is most accessible - so, when Tortelier was with the BBC Phil he gave us the symphonies of Chausson and Dukas that I have never seen programmed since.
    And that makes me reflect that Radio 3 really should be plugging those gaps. Give us a Havergal Brian cycle, a Robert Simpson cycle, Bax, Arnold etc etc - Media City concerts, Hoddinott Hall concerts (and how many Hoddinott Symphonies has anyone heard live? Or Mathias? Me - No 2, once, when I was a student), so there is an audience for them.
    We're lucky to have multiple recordings of the standard repertoire, but there is still a lot out there that we might appreciate more deeply by hearing more than just the one recording in the catalogue.

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    • Nick Armstrong
      Host
      • Nov 2010
      • 26829

      #32
      Originally posted by oliver sudden View Post
      Only one point for me I fear, and that’s only if the Mahler ‘10 in any form’ includes the Adagio on its own!
      I was going to claim 1 point for Mahler… but I forgot the 10th… and I can’t remember if I’ve ever heard any of it live
      "...the isle is full of noises,
      Sounds and sweet airs, that give delight and hurt not.
      Sometimes a thousand twangling instruments
      Will hum about mine ears, and sometime voices..."

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      • Petrushka
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        • Nov 2010
        • 13025

        #33
        Originally posted by Nick Armstrong View Post

        I was going to claim 1 point for Mahler… but I forgot the 10th… and I can’t remember if I’ve ever heard any of it live
        Not even the Leipzig Gewandhaus/Chailly Prom in 2009, Nick?
        "The sound is the handwriting of the conductor" - Bernard Haitink

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        • parkepr
          Full Member
          • Jul 2012
          • 105

          #34
          Just 1 point for me with RVW, when Richard Hickox did a complete cycle at the Barbican in the 90's with the Bournmouth Symphony Orchestra.

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          • Nick Armstrong
            Host
            • Nov 2010
            • 26829

            #35
            Originally posted by Petrushka View Post

            Not even the Leipzig Gewandhaus/Chailly Prom in 2009, Nick?
            Don’t think so, no
            "...the isle is full of noises,
            Sounds and sweet airs, that give delight and hurt not.
            Sometimes a thousand twangling instruments
            Will hum about mine ears, and sometime voices..."

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            • teamsaint
              Full Member
              • Nov 2010
              • 25490

              #36
              Originally posted by Nick Armstrong View Post

              Don’t think so, no
              Jan 24 next year is your chance then.
              I may , if the mood takes me, allow qualifying events as late as that as people join the quest for these hard won points
              I will not be pushed, filed, stamped, indexed, briefed, debriefed or numbered. My life is my own.

              I am not a number, I am a free man.

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              • Nick Armstrong
                Host
                • Nov 2010
                • 26829

                #37
                Originally posted by teamsaint View Post

                Jan 24 next year is your chance then.
                I may , if the mood takes me, allow qualifying events as late as that as people join the quest for these hard won points


                Where’s that then?
                "...the isle is full of noises,
                Sounds and sweet airs, that give delight and hurt not.
                Sometimes a thousand twangling instruments
                Will hum about mine ears, and sometime voices..."

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                • Eine Alpensinfonie
                  Host
                  • Nov 2010
                  • 20618

                  #38
                  None of the above , though like smittims, I have heard all the Elgar symohonies in the concert hall (including the premier of no. 3.
                  Since moving to Scarborough in 1986, my concert-going experience has been reduced considerably.

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                  • teamsaint
                    Full Member
                    • Nov 2010
                    • 25490

                    #39
                    Originally posted by Nick Armstrong View Post



                    Where’s that then?
                    Vladimir Jurowski conducts Mahler’s shattering Tenth Symphony – a final, haunting vision of love, loss and redemption.


                    Only Jurowski though….
                    I will not be pushed, filed, stamped, indexed, briefed, debriefed or numbered. My life is my own.

                    I am not a number, I am a free man.

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                    • Nick Armstrong
                      Host
                      • Nov 2010
                      • 26829

                      #40
                      Originally posted by teamsaint View Post

                      Vladimir Jurowski conducts Mahler’s shattering Tenth Symphony – a final, haunting vision of love, loss and redemption.


                      Only Jurowski though….


                      Thank you
                      "...the isle is full of noises,
                      Sounds and sweet airs, that give delight and hurt not.
                      Sometimes a thousand twangling instruments
                      Will hum about mine ears, and sometime voices..."

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                      • gradus
                        Full Member
                        • Nov 2010
                        • 5841

                        #41
                        Originally posted by teamsaint View Post

                        Vladimir Jurowski conducts Mahler’s shattering Tenth Symphony – a final, haunting vision of love, loss and redemption.


                        Only Jurowski though….
                        ,,, and the version by Barshai and not Cooke whose first completion (of 4)​ I heard at its premiere in 1964. Still haven't managed to hear a live eighth though and thus still stuck on the two complete cycles noted above.

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                        • Cockney Sparrow
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                          • Jan 2014
                          • 2367

                          #42
                          Originally posted by gradus View Post
                          .........Still haven't managed to hear a live eighth though and thus still stuck on the two complete cycles noted above.
                          I do try to catch a Mahler 8 performance in the UK (and would welcome mention of forthcoming dates on these boards). I knew the Bach Choir were to perform it this coming season but am surprised, on searching now, to find it is their first concert - and tomorrow!

                          However, only modified regrets - the only place where acoustics are acceptable in St Paul's Cathedral in my experience is under the Dome. In the Nave, one is aware a performance is taking place.....some way away. Also, on the web page below they indicate the seating areas, and on clicking for the booking (mostly sold out) the Dome doesn't even appear as an option. Presumably all the Dome seats were sold via friends, members etc....



                          I prefer the Albert Hall, preferably the Arena or forward part of the stalls. Its ideal - the comment as to imagining the universe resonating around you - well - achieved there on several occasions as far as I am concerned. Symphony Hall Birmingham very acceptable and maybe other halls would serve but in the RFH the chorister areas have to spill into seats surrounding the stage and the acoustics are less favourable. I can't imagine anyone trying it at the Barbican. (I never saw Tennstedt - I wan't assiduous enough in looking out for them, in those years). All that said it all started in my teens with a Radio relay, taped, of a Willcocks/CUMS performance from Ely Cathedral......

                          I've never had any doubts about Mahler 8 - in the right hands, with the stars aligned for a good set of soloists in good vocal health - and usually in the Albert Hall - I have found it can be an enthralling experience.

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                          • bluestateprommer
                            Full Member
                            • Nov 2010
                            • 3242

                            #43
                            4 points for me:
                            (1) Mendelssohn: the symphonies
                            (2) Rachmaninoff: the symphonies, the four piano concertos (semi-bonus for Symphonic Dances and Rhapsody on a Theme of Paganini)
                            (3) Tchaikovsky: six numbered symphonies plus Manfred (albeit with the Svetlanov-ized ending, rather than Pyotr Ilyich's original ending)
                            (4) Mahler: all 9 fully completed symphonies, including 10 in any form (have heard both the Adagio and one full completion; semi-bonus for Das Lied von der Erde)

                            Bonus point:
                            (5) Walton: the two symphonies

                            Honorable mentions:
                            (a) Bernstein: have heard # 2 and # 3 live, for sure (I'd like to think that I've heard # 1 live, but I can't remember, so it's not included in the top list)
                            (b) Sibelius: all heard live except # 3 (& I've heard Kullervo once live)
                            (c) Nielsen: all heard live except # 1
                            (d) Bruckner: all heard live except # 1, # 5, and "Die Nullte"
                            (e) Shostakovich: all heard live except # 3 and # 12

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                            • oliver sudden
                              Full Member
                              • Feb 2024
                              • 1213

                              #44
                              Originally posted by Cockney Sparrow View Post
                              I've never had any doubts about Mahler 8 - in the right hands, with the stars aligned for a good set of soloists in good vocal health - and usually in the Albert Hall - I have found it can be an enthralling experience.
                              I have occasionally found myself thinking anent Mahler 8 that it’s not such a great piece but it’s always very effective in concert.

                              And then I have no choice but to slap myself repeatedly across the face because what other damn test of a piece was there when he wrote it?!?

                              I’ve only heard it live once but have sung in it a few times and gosh when the sopranos soar above everyone in “zieht uns hinan” it is jolly difficult to keep control of oneself. Speaking for oneself of course.

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                              • Maclintick
                                Full Member
                                • Jan 2012
                                • 1246

                                #45
                                All Beethoven, Brahms, Elgar, Mahler incl 10 heard live -- though naturally some more memorable than others, e.g. No.5 VPO/Bernstein, No.3 Lucerne/Abbado, No.6 LPO/Tennstedt & CSO/Haitink, plus Das Lied a few times.

                                Near misses:
                                Bruckner -- all numbered ones except 2 (not including "0" or other another unnumbered one I can't remember)
                                Sibelius -- all except 3

                                Not-quite-near misses:
                                Tchaikovsky all except 2 & 3 but including "Manfred" (a terrific Prom - RLPO/Petrenko}
                                RVW -- all except "Antarctica" & 8

                                LHC deserves some kind of FoR award for unflagging patronage of the UK's live music scene

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