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  • Suffolkcoastal
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    • Nov 2010
    • 3315

    The 2025 Survey of Classical Music on R3

    Here’s my 2024 Survey of Classical Music on Radio 3 (aka CFM2), the 17th I’ve undertaken. 2025 was yet another very depressing year for me personally & to see R3's seeming continuous attempts to copy CFM doubly depressing.
    The percentage of full & larger scale works broadcast continues at abysmal levels. Though the total number of complete symphonies broadcast for once is up from 2024 dismal number.

    As in previous years the narrowing of the variety of works by certain individual composers continues, for example most of the 27 pieces of Kabalevsky played is the Colas Breugnon Overture, of Holst's 229 pieces, half consist purely of The Planets & St Pauls Suite. Many pieces/chunks are getting played ever more often, my 'warhorse' list again shows that certain works are being vastly over played. Is there really a need for 60+ Holberg Suite, 50+ Prelude de l'apres midi d'un faune, 50+ Peter Grimes Sea Interludes, 40+ Hebrides Overture??

    Certain composers ow getting unduly favoured, whilst others languish, virtually forgotten. The Bliss anniversary was exceptionally poor & if you take out the number of Things to Come from his total, it would look even worse. Messiaen failed to reach 50 pieces/chunks for the 1st time since I began my surveys, Martinu, Suk & Szymanowski were also short of the 50 mark.

    As usual, a list of all composers with 50 or more pieces/chunks broadcast is in the thread below. A composer in bold indicates the highest number of pieces/chunks by that composer since I began my survey in 2009, a composer in Italics is the lowest so far. The now majority play list format programmes again resulted in even more composers having record numbers of bits & pieces broadcast since 2009. If there are any composers who did not reach the 50 threshold, that you would like to know the figures for, then, as usual please let me know & I can provide them.

    The Symphony figures will follow tomorrow.
    Position Composer Number
    1 BACH J S 1863
    2 MOZART W A 1582
    3 BEETHOVEN 1166
    4 SCHUBERT 1067
    5 BRAHMS 902
    6 HAYDN F J 841
    7 HANDEL 776
    8 CHOPIN 723
    9 DEBUSSY 707
    10 RAVEL 700
    11 TCHAIKOVSKY P I 671
    12 DVORAK 663
    13 VIVALDI 589
    14 MENDELSSOHN FELIX 582
    15 SCHUMANN R 533
    16 ELGAR 470
    17 RACHMANINOV 454
    18 SIBELIUS 444
    19 VAUGHAN WILLIAMS 441
    20 GRIEG 412
    21 SAINT-SAENS 401
    22 BRITTEN 372
    23 SHOSTAKOVICH 358
    24 LISZT 356
    25 PURCELL H 329
    26 PROKOFIEV S 316
    27 STRAUSS R 311
    28 FAURE 307
    29 TELEMANN 294
    30 MAHLER G 259
    31 WAGNER R 256
    32 STRAUSS J II 246
    33 COLERIDGE-TAYLOR S 245
    34 GERSHWIN 232
    35 HOLST G 229
    35 SCARLATTI D 229
    36 STRAVINSKY 228
    37 VERDI 226
    38 POULENC 213
    39 PART 211
    39 SCHUMANN C 211
    40 PRICE FLORENCE 200
    41 BERLIOZ 196
    42 PALESTRINA 189
    43 MENDELSSOHN FANNY 181
    44 PUCCINI 179
    45 ROSSINI 178
    46 SATIE 177
    47 BIZET 173
    47 RAMEAU 173
    48 DELIUS 171
    49 WALTON W 159
    50 BERNSTEIN L 156
    51 BYRD 153
    52 BRUCH 148
    53 JANACEK 146
    54 BEACH 144
    55 BARTOK 143
    55 WILLIAMS JOHN 143
    56 RESPIGHI 142
    57 CHAMINADE 141
    58 MONTEVERDI 140
    59 NIELSEN C 137
    60 BACH C P E 136
    61 GLASS P 133
    62 RUTTER JOHN 132
    63 WEBER C M VON 131
    64 BRUCKNER 130
    64 GRAINGER P 130
    65 KORNGOLD 128
    66 BONIS M 126
    67 FARRENC L 125
    68 SMETANA 122
    69 RIMSKY KORSAKOV 121
    70 GIPPS 119
    71 FINZI 115
    72 ARNOLD M 114
    72 GLAZUNOV 114
    73 COPLAND 113
    74 BINGEN HILDEGARD OF 112
    75 STILL W G 106
    76 RICHTER M 104
    77 RODRIGO 103
    78 FRANCK C 102
    79 FALLA 101
    80 CORELLI 99
    81 MACMILLAN J 97
    82 PIAZZOLLA 96
    82 SHAW CAROLINE 96
    83 GIBBONS O 94
    84 BORODIN 93
    84 SAINT-GEORGES 93
    84 SULLIVAN 93
    85 DOWLAND 92
    85 WILLIAMS GRACE 92
    86 KREISLER F 91
    86 TALLIS 91
    87 SMYTH 89
    88 MUSSORGSKY 84
    89 ALBENIZ 83
    89 BARBER S 83
    90 KODALY 82
    91 JACQUET DE LA GUERRE 81
    91 STROZZI B 81
    92 GOUNOD 79
    92 KHACHATURIAN 79
    93 CHABRIER 78
    94 BOULANGER L 77
    95 BRIDGE FRANK 76
    95 COATES E 76
    95 SCRIABIN 76
    96 PEJACEVIC 75
    97 BOCCHERINI 74
    97 DELIBES 74
    98 WHITACRE E 73
    99 BACEWICZ 72
    99 PAGANINI 72
    99 TAILLEFERRE 72
    100 VILLA LOBOS 71
    100 WALLEN E 71
    101 BIBER 69
    101 SCHOENBERG 69
    102 IRELAND J 68
    103 PARRY H 67
    104 HOWELLS 66
    105 ADAMS J 65
    105 COUPERIN F 65
    106 KATS-CHERNIN 64
    106 REICH 64
    107 ANDREE 63
    108 ALFVEN 61
    108 BUTTERWORTH G 61
    108 FIELD 61
    108 HOLST I 61
    108 LULLY 61
    109 HAHN R 59
    109 STANFORD 59
    110 LASSUS 58
    111 BERIO L 56
    112 HAYDN M 55
    113 GLUCK 54
    113 HUMMEL J N 54
    113 TABAKOVA 54
    114 JENKINS K 53
    114 MCDOWELL CELIA 53
    114 SCARLATTI A 53
    115 GABRIELI G 52
    115 MARAIS 52
    115 OFFENBACH 52
    116 BLISS A 51
    Last edited by Suffolkcoastal; 03-01-26, 18:24.
  • LMcD
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    • Sep 2017
    • 10736

    #2
    Thank you - that's some undertaking! Bach's total almost certainly boosted by Breakfast's 'Bach Before 7'.

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    • Ian Thumwood
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      • Dec 2010
      • 4823

      #3
      No Messaien or Syzmanowski. Scriabin at 96 and Villa Lobos at 100.

      It is fascinsting list. Good to see composers like Caroline Shaw on the list but perplexed by the inclusion of Eric Coates. W G Still but no Ellington !

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      • Serial_Apologist
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        • Dec 2010
        • 39451

        #4
        Originally posted by Ian Thumwood View Post
        No Messaien or Syzmanowski. Scriabin at 96 and Villa Lobos at 100.

        It is fascinsting list. Good to see composers like Caroline Shaw on the list but perplexed by the inclusion of Eric Coates. W G Still but no Ellington !
        Plus the total absence of Weill, Eisler and Henze says so much about subliminal political exclusion, to my mind.

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        • pastoralguy
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          • Nov 2010
          • 8460

          #5
          And no George Lloyd!

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          • Pulcinella
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            • Feb 2014
            • 13006

            #6
            Originally posted by pastoralguy View Post
            And no George Lloyd!
            Or Tippett.
            Britten so high up presumably because of repeated interludes at sea.

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            • smittims
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              • Aug 2022
              • 6417

              #7
              Many thanks for this valuable and interesting survey . I've long given up even remarking on Radio 3's almost total avoidance of several composers I've named in the past who I think are well-worth broadcasting far more often than some of the 100-plus names here.

              But I was struck by the low number of Schoenberg broadcasts and the absence of Berg and Webern. I've suspected for some time that the current Controller has decided to exclude them as much as possible, and indeed , atonal 20th-century music generally. The 21st-century 'new' music we hear (e.g. Mason Bates' opera last night) is getting more and more tonal and even diatonic: in short, old-fashioned .

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              • Ian Thumwood
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                • Dec 2010
                • 4823

                #8
                Originally posted by smittims View Post
                Many thanks for this valuable and interesting survey . I've long given up even remarking on Radio 3's almost total avoidance of several composers I've named in the past who I think are well-worth broadcasting far more often than some of the 100-plus names here.

                But I was struck by the low number of Schoenberg broadcasts and the absence of Berg and Webern. I've suspected for some time that the current Controller has decided to exclude them as much as possible, and indeed , atonal 20th-century music generally. The 21st-century 'new' music we hear (e.g. Mason Bates' opera last night) is getting more and more tonal and even diatonic: in short, old-fashioned .
                This list is superb because it serves as an audit. What it does show in the range and balance of composers played and that obscurity is not a reason for exclusion. The one factor missing is performer inluence and especially where this is live in the studio or from concert halls. My point would be how much music is regularly in the repertoire and performed ? I would suggest that this is actually wider than between 1950s and 80s. Female composers are now getting the airing they were excluded from previously. Composers like Colerage Taylor get a lot of airplay and there is far too much Tchaikovsky.

                The point about 2nd Viennese school composers is interesting and reminded me of an observation i read in a Susan Tomes book. I just wonder if this music is now being seen as old fashioned and starting to disappear from the repertoire as it is not valued as it once was. Not convinced that some aggressively avant garde composers will be celebrated in 100 years time. Not convinced that Berg and Webern will be performed at all by 22nd century.....just a gut feeling.


                Quite interesting to contrast this list which i feel is balanced with Jazz FM's top 100 jazz downloads of 2025. There was hardly any jazz in the list ! I think Radio 3 has a long way to go before sinking this far.
                Last edited by Ian Thumwood; 04-01-26, 09:28.

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                • antongould
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                  • Nov 2010
                  • 9096

                  #9
                  Wonderful as always sir …. Nice, for me at least to see Finzi having a good year …..

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                  • Ein Heldenleben
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                    • Apr 2014
                    • 8641

                    #10
                    Originally posted by Ian Thumwood View Post

                    This list is superb because it serves as an audit. What it does show in the range and balance of composers played and that obscurity is not a reason for exclusion. The one factor missing is performer inluence and especially where this is live in the studio or from concert halls. My point would be how much music is regularly in the repertoire and performed ? I would suggest that this is actually wider than between 1950s and 80s. Female composers are now getting the airing they were excluded from previously. Composers like Colerage Taylor get a lot of airplay and there is far too much Tchaikovsky.

                    The point about 2nd Viennese school composers is interesting and reminded me of an observation i read in a Susan Tomes book. I just wonder if this music is now being seen as old fashioned and starting to disappear from the repertoire as it is not valued as it once was. Not convinced that some aggressively avant garde composers will be celebrated in 100 years time. Not convinced that Berg and Webern will be performed at all by 22nd century.....just a gut feeling.


                    Quite interesting to contrast this list which i feel is balanced with Jazz FM's top 100 jazz downloads of 2025. There was hardly any jazz in the list ! I think Radio 3 has a long way to go before sinking this far.
                    I don’t think there is a serious music critic , performer or composer who wouldn’t agree that Schoenberg , Berg and Webern are very significant composers and that they deserve a better hearing than that given by the supposed “home of classical music.” Unfortunately playing serial music on Radio 3 usually gets a negative reaction from listeners who tend to be very conservative in their tastes and that’s the main reason they don’t get played much or at all in the 06.00 to 12.00 peak hours. I’m pretty sure that both Wozzeck and Lulu will be performed in 100 years as , some reason , opera audiences take them in their stride - it helps that they are master pieces, Less sure about Moses and Aaron but as I’ve never seen it or likely to see it I can’t really judge,

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                    • Ian Thumwood
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                      • Dec 2010
                      • 4823

                      #11
                      EH

                      Thanks for your reply.

                      The issue of repertoire is not limited to classical music. To be commercially successful, radio stations and concert venues will try to programme music that audiences want to hear. This why i feel serial music will eventually disappear and not whether it is a question of whether it is any good. Most people do not want to hear it.

                      As i stated previously, the list is already quite broad. I think there is a lot on that list which is not Classical music. It is generally weighted against composers people find a challenge to listen to and in favour of more 'easy listening' styles which the majority find acceptable. More and more stations like Radio 3 will pursue this path which is even more exagerated on commercial radio.

                      I have seen the same happen with jazz but feel classical music has held out the longest. Eventually more difficult composers will be edged out by the likes of Tchaikovsky. The inclusion of women and black composers is an advance in my opinion . My issue is that more populist styles are over represented. Too much Gershwin in my opinion. My bet is that many Radio 3 listeners will find the list very much in their comfort zone. There are worrying and glaring omissions but my issue would be that some names like Price are over featured and that Eric Coates is light music and not serious. Popular pieces seem over played too.

                      You camnot please everyone and the list is understandable to.a degree. If you do not like the music, you can always turn it off which is what i do with opera, choral, Mozart,.Tchaikovsky or Brahms.

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                      • smittims
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                        • Aug 2022
                        • 6417

                        #12
                        Is it not a shame, though,that a station proud to call itself the home of classical music should be merely following popular taste instead of leading it, as it used to do in the Glock era? Schoenberg is the most significant composer since Brahms and if millions of listeners are denied the chance to listen to his music they will never know if they like it or not.

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                        • Ein Heldenleben
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                          • Apr 2014
                          • 8641

                          #13
                          Originally posted by smittims View Post
                          Is it not a shame, though,that a station proud to call itself the home of classical music should be merely following popular taste instead of leading it, as it used to do in the Glock era? Schoenberg is the most significant composer since Brahms and if millions of listeners are denied the chance to listen to his music they will never know if they like it or not.
                          Exactly …that’s what the BBC is for : to provoke and challenge , to showcase the best and not just run a warm bath for the audience . CFM can do that.

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                          • Pulcinella
                            Host
                            • Feb 2014
                            • 13006

                            #14
                            Originally posted by Ein Heldenleben View Post

                            Exactly …that’s what the BBC is for : to provoke and challenge , to showcase the best and not just run a warm bath for the audience . CFM can do that.
                            And probably does it better, as it makes no attempt at pretending it's something other.

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                            • Suffolkcoastal
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                              • Nov 2010
                              • 3315

                              #15
                              Here's the Symphony breakdown for those composers who had 5 or more symphonies/sinfoniettas/sinfonias broadcast complete in 2025. The overall total of 859 was slightly up on 2024 but still the 2nd lowest since I began this particular survey in 2011.
                              Composer Complete Symphonies
                              MOZART W A 76
                              BEETHOVEN 61
                              F J HAYDN 60
                              MAHLER 45
                              SIBELIUS 40
                              MENDELSSOHN 39
                              SHOSTAKOVICH 33
                              BRAHMS 27
                              BACH CPE 26
                              BRUCKNER 26
                              DVORAK 24
                              SCHUBERT 24
                              PROKOFIEV 19
                              RACHMANINOV 19
                              SCHUMANN 19
                              TCHAIKOVSKY 18
                              BERLIOZ 17
                              VAUGHAN WILLIAMS 16
                              ABEL 14
                              FARRENC 11
                              STRAVINSKY 11
                              SAINT-SAENS 10
                              BOYCE 8
                              MARTINES M 8
                              BRITTEN 7
                              M HAYDN 7
                              NIELSEN 7
                              WILLIAMS G 7
                              GIPPS 6
                              PEJACEVIC 6
                              JANACEK 5
                              SAINT-GEORGES 5
                              The most broadcast complete symphonies were:
                              Composer Symphony Times broadcast
                              Beethoven 5 12
                              Berlioz Symphonie Fantastique 12
                              Mendelssohn 3 12
                              Mozart 41 12
                              Mahler 1 11
                              Prokofiev 1 11
                              Sibelius 5 11
                              Brahms 4 10
                              Mendelssohn 4 10
                              Mozart 39 10
                              Rachmaninov 2 10
                              Sibelius 2 10
                              Sibelius 7 10

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