6.6.2011 - Satie (repeat)

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  • Mandryka
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    • Feb 2021
    • 1650

    #16
    It is an extraordinary thing. Presumably this is the side of Satie that Cage was thinking about when he wrote that form is defined by means of time lengths. I just find it unbelievable that the piece was written in 1892!

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    • Serial_Apologist
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      • Dec 2010
      • 39453

      #17
      Originally posted by Mandryka View Post
      It is an extraordinary thing. Presumably this is the side of Satie that Cage was thinking about when he wrote that form is defined by means of time lengths. I just find it unbelievable that the piece was written in 1892!
      Yes but there were precedents! I'm sure Satie would have been aware of songs composed about 20 years earlier by Mussorgsky which made use of pretty remote chord changes,

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      • Bryn
        Banned
        • Mar 2007
        • 24688

        #18
        From the programme notes to the Duanduan Hao CD with (Naxos) on it:

        Uspud, was not originally intended for piano.
        Conceived as a Christian ballet/shadow play in three acts
        by J.P. Contamine de Latour, Satie’s music required flutes,
        harps, and strings. Although it was composed in 1892, it
        was not premiered until almost a century later, on 9 May
        1979 at the Opéra-Comique.3 Satie’s bitterness that it was
        not performed at its intended location was expressed on
        the title page of the score: ‘présenté au théâtre national de
        l’Opéra de 20 décembre 1892’ – ‘presented to’ but not
        ‘performed at’. The play bears a striking resemblance to
        Rivière’s La Tentation de saint Antoine, which Satie
        witnessed some five years previously. As one might expect,
        De Latour and Satie take the hermetic theme to the point of
        absurdity, resulting in a mock-serious spiritual exercise,
        provoking both enthusiastic appreciation and strong
        criticism when Satie played it through on the piano one
        evening to a group of acquaintances at the Auberge du
        Clou. Uspud is the sole character, while everyone and
        everything else – from saints and angels to demons and
        humans with animals heads – appear as figments of his
        feverish, fantastic imagination. The music was probably
        intended not to be continuous, but rather to highlight
        particular features of the tableaux and commentary.

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        • Mandryka
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          • Feb 2021
          • 1650

          #19
          Originally posted by Bryn View Post
          Loved it since first hearing it in the Riri Shimada triple CD set.

          I like this more than Nicolas Hovarth’s recording, which is the one I was listening to before. Thanks for mentioning it.

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          • Mandryka
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            • Feb 2021
            • 1650

            #20
            Originally posted by Serial_Apologist View Post
            Yes but there were precedents! I'm sure Satie would have been aware of songs composed about 20 years earlier by Mussorgsky which made use of pretty remote chord changes,
            Some suggestions as to what to listen to would be appreciated. It’s about 15 years ago since I last heard Songs and Dances of Death, a concert with Thomas Quasthoff I remember. Is that what you’re thinking of?

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            • Serial_Apologist
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              • Dec 2010
              • 39453

              #21
              Originally posted by Mandryka View Post
              Some suggestions as to what to listen to would be appreciated. It’s about 15 years ago since I last heard Songs and Dances of Death, a concert with Thomas Quasthoff I remember. Is that what you’re thinking of?
              It is.

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              • Serial_Apologist
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                • Dec 2010
                • 39453

                #22
                Next week, in commemoration of Satie's death, a century on:

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                • Serial_Apologist
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                  • Dec 2010
                  • 39453

                  #23
                  Seeing reference in the final programme to Satie's Enfantines of 1913, I knew that Milhaud also composed three of his own - as happens, that very same year:



                  Possibly Milhaud was the first of the future Les Six lot to recognise Satie - Koechlin, Debussy and Ravel already had, of course.

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                  • Serial_Apologist
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                    • Dec 2010
                    • 39453

                    #24
                    This has been one of the best COTWs in a very long time. It would have been lovely to have had translations of at least some of the poems set by Satie.

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                    • Quarky
                      Full Member
                      • Dec 2010
                      • 2776

                      #25
                      Originally posted by Serial_Apologist View Post
                      This has been one of the best COTWs in a very long time. It would have been lovely to have had translations of at least some of the poems set by Satie.


                      The entire Satie Week from last Saturday was very good IMV, and I learnt a great deal about him. Radio 3 at its best.

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                      • gurnemanz
                        Full Member
                        • Nov 2010
                        • 7725

                        #26
                        Originally posted by Serial_Apologist View Post
                        This has been one of the best COTWs in a very long time. It would have been lovely to have had translations of at least some of the poems set by Satie.
                        Missed the whole lot due to clash with Wimbledon on TV but will catch up especially in light of positive comments. I have two discs of Satie songs, both worth acquiring. One has full texts and translations - Holger Frank on MDG. The other with Jane Manning on Audiophile does not. Limited availability - Discogs

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