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  • Serial_Apologist
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    • Dec 2010
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    Ken Loach on Start the Week

    Well worth listening to this discussion on Ken's new documentary The Spirit of 45 from this morning's programme:

    Weekly discussion programme, setting the cultural agenda every Monday


    PR blurb:



    Fielding in the Grauniad demurs:

    Steven Fielding: It was a stirring time, but people were seeking not socialism but reformed capitalism. This film obscures some inconvenient truths
    Last edited by Serial_Apologist; 11-03-13, 17:24. Reason: mistyped second link
  • eighthobstruction
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    • Nov 2010
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    #2
    I thought ken sounded out of touch all in all....and not a very good person to have in a studio discussion as he just tried to trash other people ideas and push his own , as if he had a perogative on the truth....

    ....I have not looked at links yet....
    bong ching

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    • JimD
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      • Nov 2010
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      #3
      I felt he was living in a nostalgic bubble. Sadly I didn't feel I learned anything from the discussion. Would like to see the play This House which was discussed, but can't see any indication at the NT that it's going on tour to the sticks. Does anyone know different?

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      • aeolium
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        • Nov 2010
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        #4
        Would like to see the play This House which was discussed, but can't see any indication at the NT that it's going on tour to the sticks. Does anyone know different?
        Not aware of any tour, JimD, but I see that on May 16 my fairly local cinema has a live broadcast of This House from the NT so it may well be on at a cinema near you either on that date or around then.

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        • jean
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          • Nov 2010
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          #5
          That's the live relay I think, so the date should be the same everywhere.

          Repeats may be different.

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          • JimD
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            • Nov 2010
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            #6
            Thanks folks: I see it's being shown live on that date at the National Media Museum in Bradford--you live and learn. This isn't something I have tried before so perhaps now's the time.

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            • Serial_Apologist
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              #7
              Originally posted by eighthobstruction View Post
              I thought ken sounded out of touch all in all....and not a very good person to have in a studio discussion as he just tried to trash other people ideas and push his own , as if he had a perogative on the truth....

              ....I have not looked at links yet....
              Apart from at one place querying quotes in Harriet Sergent's report, which was maybe a bit out of order, what did KL say to disagree with?

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              • aka Calum Da Jazbo
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                • Nov 2010
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                #8
                er i am with Fielding and the dangers of rose tinted specs .... to the extent that the people were radicalised one might argue that it was the Atlee Government's successes with the Health Service, nationalised industries, and the Beveridge reforms ... and then some of the workers voted Tory for 13 years of Tory rule from 51 to 64 with large middle class defections from the 1945 labour vote ...
                According to the best estimates of astronomers there are at least one hundred billion galaxies in the observable universe.

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                • JimD
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                  • Nov 2010
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                  #9
                  He came very close to accusing Harriet Sergeant of misrepresentation, presumably because the young men she was claiming to
                  quote were claimed to be saying things that he didn't like/expect. (I make no defence of her: but I found his apparently instinctive reaction telling.)

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                  • gurnemanz
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                    • Nov 2010
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                    #10
                    Originally posted by JimD View Post
                    I felt he was living in a nostalgic bubble. Sadly I didn't feel I learned anything from the discussion. Would like to see the play This House which was discussed
                    I agree about Ken's "nostalgic bubble". Amongst some disgruntled Easterners in Germany there is quite a prevalent phenomenon called Ostalgie (nostalgia for the old East Germany). "Goodbye, Lenin" was quite a good film on the subject.

                    We went to "This House" on Saturday. It is well worth seeing, funny and hard-hitting, and with some contemporary resonance. It's on until May.

                    PS The Austrians seem be getting nostalgic about the Nazis

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                    • eighthobstruction
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                      #11
                      Originally posted by Serial_Apologist View Post
                      Apart from at one place querying quotes in Harriet Sergent's report, which was maybe a bit out of order, what did KL say to disagree with?
                      ....as said by others....nostalgia bubble (both positive 1945-negative 79 -Nationalisation)....and Calums points....I felt KEN was the Elephant in the room....
                      bong ching

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                      • Serial_Apologist
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                        #12
                        Originally posted by JimD View Post
                        He came very close to accusing Harriet Sergeant of misrepresentation, presumably because the young men she was claiming to
                        quote were claimed to be saying things that he didn't like/expect.
                        Which were?

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                        • Serial_Apologist
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                          #13
                          Originally posted by eighthobstruction View Post
                          ....as said by others....nostalgia bubble (both positive 1945-negative 79 -Nationalisation)....and Calums points....I felt KEN was the Elephant in the room....
                          For being nostalgic for an era which looked to a better future and built for it?

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                          • eighthobstruction
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                            #14
                            I dare say other interviewees look forward to a better future and hope to build it....but have not just had ww2....
                            bong ching

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                            • JimD
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                              • Nov 2010
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                              #15
                              Originally posted by Serial_Apologist View Post
                              Which were?
                              No idea. One can only speculate that they didn't fit his preferred narrative.

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