R3 Live in Concert 5/5/16 - RLPO/Manze in Vaughan Williams

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  • aeolium
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    • Nov 2010
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    R3 Live in Concert 5/5/16 - RLPO/Manze in Vaughan Williams

    Something to look forward to this evening for those who have admired Andrew Manze's VW symphony performances:

  • Alison
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    • Nov 2010
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    #2
    Thanks, I might have missed this.

    Really like the programme and the final work status accorded to the Pastoral

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    • Stanley Stewart
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      • Nov 2010
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      #3
      Indeed, I've just transferred a back-up print of Manze's PROMS performances of the later symphonies to DVD. Much enlightened, too, by Keith Alldritt's recent biography, VW, Composer, Radical Patriot,(Robert Hale, 2016) despite a few howlers which passed the editing stage - my pleasure also enhanced by now being able to sit and read in the garden again after months of hibernation!

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      • ferneyhoughgeliebte
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        • Sep 2011
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        #4
        Tenor solo, too. (I've waited years to hear a performance with this option. Seems logical for a work associated with the deaths of so many young men.)
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        • Bryn
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          • Mar 2007
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          #5
          Originally posted by ferneyhoughgeliebte View Post
          Tenor solo, too. (I've waited years to hear a performance with this option. Seems logical for a work associated with the deaths of so many young men.)
          For RN, it's the trumpeters girlfriend:



          A pity he did not record the work with 'his' Stuttgarters or the DSOB. The LPO recording is one i am fond of, but his control of the wobbling fingers was not much in evidence at the time.

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          • ferneyhoughgeliebte
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            • Sep 2011
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            #6
            Originally posted by Bryn View Post
            For RN, it's the trumpeters girlfriend
            Well, it could equally "be" the trumpeter's boyfriend, of course.
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            • Bryn
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              #7
              Originally posted by ferneyhoughgeliebte View Post
              Well, it could equally "be" the trumpeter's boyfriend, of course.
              Indeed, but would RVW have wanted 'his' trumpeter branded a criminal?

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              • ferneyhoughgeliebte
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                • Sep 2011
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                #8
                Originally posted by Bryn View Post
                Indeed, but would RVW have wanted 'his' trumpeter branded a criminal?
                He'd've probably gone to court to testify on his behalf - after all, he himself suggested the Tenor option
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                • Richard Barrett
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                  • Jan 2016
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                  #9
                  Originally posted by ferneyhoughgeliebte View Post
                  Tenor solo, too. (I've waited years to hear a performance with this option. Seems logical for a work associated with the deaths of so many young men.)
                  Clarinet is the thing IMO.

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                  • Nick Armstrong
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                    • Nov 2010
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                    #10
                    Originally posted by Richard Barrett View Post
                    Clarinet is the thing IMO.



                    Originally posted by ferneyhoughgeliebte View Post
                    Tenor solo, too. (I've waited years to hear a performance with this option. Seems logical for a work associated with the deaths of so many young men.)


                    Royal Liverpool Philharmonic Orchestra
                    Jennifer Johnston, mezzo-soprano
                    Andrew Manze, conductor

                    "...the isle is full of noises,
                    Sounds and sweet airs, that give delight and hurt not.
                    Sometimes a thousand twangling instruments
                    Will hum about mine ears, and sometime voices..."

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                    • ferneyhoughgeliebte
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                      • Sep 2011
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                      #11
                      Originally posted by Bryn View Post
                      For RN, it's the trumpeters girlfriend
                      That's actually quite a naff introduction to the work, I thought: if I didn't know the piece and this was all I had in the way of introduction, I wouldn't've given it a chance!

                      A pity he did not record the work with 'his' Stuttgarters or the DSOB.
                      Yes - I was immediately struck by the string sound in the extracts in the video, and wanted to hear more.

                      BUT - and I can't find my score, so I'm relying on memory here - the trumpet solo was using fingering: isn't he supposed to treat the instrument as a bugle and use natural harmonics at this point? (I can't help feeling I'm wrong, because RN is scrupulous about such matters.)
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                      • ferneyhoughgeliebte
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                        • Sep 2011
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                        #12
                        Originally posted by Richard Barrett View Post
                        Clarinet is the thing IMO.
                        Ooh! There's radical! I've been imagining a tenor voice for years, but I've never tried taking the Clarinet option seriously ...
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                        • Stanley Stewart
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                          • Nov 2010
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                          #13
                          Have checked the Proms brochure - a photocopy always useful for DVD covers - and see that that Andrew Manze conducted the BBC Scottish SO in Symphonies, 4,5 and 6; Prom 46,
                          16 Aug 2012; three differently powerful works of the 1930s and 1940s.

                          During a reading and gardening session, this morning, I've done DVD transfers of Tony Palmer's, O Thou Transcendent, (2007) and add John Bridcut's Passions of VW in due course, before completing the trio with Ken Russell's South Bank Show with Ursula VW as an on - screen mentor throughout.

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                          • ferneyhoughgeliebte
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                            • Sep 2011
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                            #14
                            Originally posted by Caliban View Post


                            Royal Liverpool Philharmonic Orchestra
                            Jennifer Johnston, mezzo-soprano
                            Andrew Manze, conductor



                            They've changed it!! Honestly - it named a tenor soloist this morning!!!

                            It did - I wouldn't've got quite so all excited if it hadn't.
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                            • ferneyhoughgeliebte
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                              #15
                              Honestly - it DID!



                              And anyroadup - what's a mezzo-soprano doing singing it?
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