Alexander Zemlinsky (1871-1942) - March 20 - 24

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  • Serial_Apologist
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    • Dec 2010
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    Alexander Zemlinsky (1871-1942) - March 20 - 24

    Surprised no one has mentioned this wonderful composer, who suffered neglect as an exile at the end of his life, having once taught Schoenberg and dated Alma Schindler, Mahler's missus-to-be.

    The early music moves from a remarkably mature late-Brahmsian model (which attracted Johannes' attention, right at the end of his life, and also to the first quartet of Schoenberg), by way of Wagner and Richard Strauss, to a blending of the influences of late Mahler and early-to-middle-period Schoenberg and Berg, post-WW1. For those who love Mahler but find themselves in difficulty making the leap to Schoenberg's post-1907 work, Zemlinsky provides the link you might have given up searching for - an exceptionally rich, idiomatically generous outpouring of invention in variety, harmonic breadth and virtuoso orchestral scoring. The link below to today's highlight, Psalm 13, composed in 1935 and one of Zemlinsky's last works, requires Spotify, or you can await tonight's repeat at 6.40 pm aproximately, and of course the iPlayer repeats:

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  • richardfinegold
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    • Sep 2012
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    #2
    Originally posted by Serial_Apologist View Post
    Surprised no one has mentioned this wonderful composer, who suffered neglect as an exile at the end of his life, having once taught Schoenberg and dated Alma Schindler, Mahler's missus-to-be.

    The early music moves from a remarkably mature late-Brahmsian model (which attracted Johannes' attention, right at the end of his life, and also to the first quartet of Schoenberg), by way of Wagner and Richard Strauss, to a blending of the influences of late Mahler and early-to-middle-period Schoenberg and Berg, post-WW1. For those who love Mahler but find themselves in difficulty making the leap to Schoenberg's post-1907 work, Zemlinsky provides the link you might have given up searching for - an exceptionally rich, idiomatically generous outpouring of invention in variety, harmonic breadth and virtuoso orchestral scoring. The link below to today's highlight, Psalm 13, composed in 1935 and one of Zemlinsky's last works, requires Spotify, or you can await tonight's repeat at 6.40 pm aproximately, and of course the iPlayer repeats:

    https://www.last.fm/music/Alexander+...alm+23,+Op.+24
    We had a mini Zemlinsky discussion not long ago when he was being compared with Schreker.

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    • gurnemanz
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      • Nov 2010
      • 7283

      #3
      Listened with great interest to this week's CotW. (Upsetting events surrounding his sister's marriage to Schönberg were new to me). I got the the songs which Brilliant licensed from DG and sold for peanuts a few years ago. A really enjoyable set with a great quartet of soloists. I paid £5.99. (No texts included. Find them yourself.) Now deleted.

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      • ferneyhoughgeliebte
        Gone fishin'
        • Sep 2011
        • 30163

        #4
        Thanks for the "heads-up", S-A - a busy week meant that I missed the programmes, but will make sure I listen on the i-Player.

        Having gone through several attempts over the years to get really enthusiastic about Zemlinsky, a chance "innocent ear" encounter with the Six Songs Op 16 on today's Sunday Morning (sounding for all the world like the Tove songs from Gurrelieder) suggests that it finally might have "clicked"!
        [FONT=Comic Sans MS][I][B]Numquam Satis![/B][/I][/FONT]

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        • BBMmk2
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          • Nov 2010
          • 20908

          #5
          A composer well worth getting to know more of his music. thanks for the heads up, SA.
          Don’t cry for me
          I go where music was born

          J S Bach 1685-1750

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          • jayne lee wilson
            Banned
            • Jul 2011
            • 10711

            #6
            I tried my best with Zemlinsky some years ago, if never quite falling in love with very much of it. Not terribly fond of the early, Brahmsian symphonic efforts or his late-romantic orchestral lushness, I much prefer his later, bittersweet neoclassical/Hindemithian/Bergian manner e.g. 3rd and 4th String Quartets - the 1936 4th Quartet was written as a memorial for the late Alban Berg, and effects an hommage to him in the Berg Lyric-Suite modelling, alternating slow/fast, of its 6 movements....
            Listen to unlimited or download Zemlinsky & Müller-Hermann: String Quartets by Artis Quartet in Hi-Res quality on Qobuz. Subscription from £10.83/month.




            - My favourite orchestral album, primarily for the 1935 Sinfonietta, which shares something of the style and atmosphere of Kurt Weill's near-contemporaneous Symphony No.2. (If you like this, try...etc.).
            Since Anthony Beaumont also made the best recordings I know of the Weill Symphonies for Chandos, you could very enjoyably listen to them together ...
            Listen to unlimited or download Symphonies n° 1 & 2 - Quodlibet, op. 9 by Antony Beaumont in Hi-Res quality on Qobuz. Subscription from £10.83/month.
            Last edited by jayne lee wilson; 26-03-17, 20:38.

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            • richardfinegold
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              • Sep 2012
              • 7295

              #7
              I listened to the Chailly pairing of The Mermaid and the Psalm 135 yesterday. I'm afraid the late Romantic lushness of the Mermaid, with it's occasional atmospheric effects, didn't do much for holding my attention. Now that I have become acquainted with Schreker I keep comparing the two and it isn't a favorable comparison for Zemlinsky

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              • Richard Barrett
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                • Jan 2016
                • 6259

                #8
                Originally posted by richardfinegold View Post
                Now that I have become acquainted with Schreker I keep comparing the two and it isn't a favorable comparison for Zemlinsky
                I agree with you about the Seejungfrau, but Zemlinsky's Lyrische Symphonie is really a marvellous work in my opinion, as is his 2nd String Quartet. I think his operas must also be worth looking into, but I haven't got round to doing so yet.

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                • ferneyhoughgeliebte
                  Gone fishin'
                  • Sep 2011
                  • 30163

                  #9
                  Originally posted by richardfinegold View Post
                  Now that I have become acquainted with Schreker I keep comparing the two and it isn't a favorable comparison for Zemlinsky
                  I think that that's still my own attitude, too, rfg - but following the 6 Songs this morning, I'm hoping that the CotW programmes on the i-Player will raise Alex in my affections. (I think I still have that Chailly recording on a cassette somewhere - bought back in the early-ish 1980s, on one of my previous "I really should get more from this Music than I am" phases. I've never clicked with the Lyric Symphony, either )
                  [FONT=Comic Sans MS][I][B]Numquam Satis![/B][/I][/FONT]

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                  • Richard Barrett
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                    • Jan 2016
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                    #10
                    Originally posted by ferneyhoughgeliebte View Post
                    I've never clicked with the Lyric Symphony
                    What made it click for me was the Eschenbach recording with Christine Schäfer and Matthias Goerne. If it doesn't do anything for you after that, I don't think it ever would.

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                    • Serial_Apologist
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                      • Dec 2010
                      • 36717

                      #11
                      Originally posted by Richard Barrett View Post
                      I agree with you about the Seejungfrau, but Zemlinsky's Lyrische Symphonie is really a marvellous work in my opinion, as is his 2nd String Quartet. I think his operas must also be worth looking into, but I haven't got round to doing so yet.
                      Der Zwerg is absolutely fantastic, imv. Poor Alexander - he seems to have taken Alma's views on his physical looks terribly to heart, never really got over it. Like Jane I too love the Sinfonietta - to me it's what Mahler might have gone on to compose, particularly the slow movement, had he lived another quarter century. For me the truly great work is the 1935 setting of Psalm 13, Op 24. Ecstatic! If only we'd been given that to sing at school instead of the Verdi Requiem etc etc.

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                      • Serial_Apologist
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                        • Dec 2010
                        • 36717

                        #12
                        Originally posted by Richard Barrett View Post
                        What made it click for me was the Eschenbach recording with Christine Schäfer and Matthias Goerne. If it doesn't do anything for you after that, I don't think it ever would.

                        Absolutely the one _ I really must get it!

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                        • Richard Barrett
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                          • Jan 2016
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                          #13
                          Originally posted by jayne lee wilson View Post
                          My favourite orchestral album, primarily for the 1935 Sinfonietta, which shares something of the style and atmosphere of Kurt Weill's near-contemporaneous Symphony No.2. [I](If you like this, try...etc.).
                          Thanks for that pointer, listening to the Sinfonietta now. I don't think I'd heard it before. I think Zemlinsky's orchestral sound and symphonic structure are both quite a lot richer than Weill's in his rather austere 2nd Symphony (though Weill's slow movement is something special). Excellent.

                          If Jayne and I both like it, it must be good!

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                          • Serial_Apologist
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                            • Dec 2010
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                            #14
                            Originally posted by Richard Barrett View Post
                            Thanks for that pointer, listening to the Sinfonietta now. I don't think I'd heard it before. I think Zemlinsky's orchestral sound and symphonic structure are both quite a lot richer than Weill's in his rather austere 2nd Symphony (though Weill's slow movement is something special). Excellent.

                            If Jayne and I both like it, it must be good!

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                            • ahinton
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                              • Nov 2010
                              • 16122

                              #15
                              Originally posted by Richard Barrett View Post
                              Thanks for that pointer, listening to the Sinfonietta now. I don't think I'd heard it before. I think Zemlinsky's orchestral sound and symphonic structure are both quite a lot richer than Weill's in his rather austere 2nd Symphony (though Weill's slow movement is something special). Excellent.

                              If Jayne and I both like it, it must be good!
                              Thumbs up emoticon if I ever used such devices! And yes, it is good indeed!

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