H&N February 12th

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  • Bryn
    Banned
    • Mar 2007
    • 24688

    H&N February 12th

    The final Huddersfield 2010 highlights programme had a fair range of what the festival had to offer, but what on Earth was Sara Mohr-Pietsch on about when the transition was made from Cage to Barrett? She really did get their relation to improvisation quite the wrong way round. Contrary to what she claimed, Cage was pretty much dead set against improvisation while Barrett includes improvisatory sections in many (most) of his compositions and is himself an improving musician of international renown. A little more homework please Ms. Mohr-Pietsch. Let's hope Mr. Barrett was not to wounded by her gaff.
  • Panjandrum

    #2
    What amazes me is that the presentation was presumably done at the time. What excuse is there for no-one on the production team picking this one up and putting it right? Are they all pig ignorant when it comes to contemporary music?

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    • Sydney Grew
      Banned
      • Mar 2007
      • 754

      #3
      Originally posted by Bryn View Post
      . . . Let's hope Mr. Barrett was not to [sic] wounded by her gaff whistle.
      "Programme:

      Rebecca SAUNDERS: Murmers (UK Premiere)

      Richard BARRETT: Wound I & III (World Premiere)

      Richard BARRETT: Wound II

      Brian FERNEYHOUGH: Quartet No.6 (World Premiere)"

      Thus the Corporation. The first four works have frightfully discouraging names. In the case of the Saunders we are left wondering whether the ignorant misspelling is the composer's or the B.B.C.'s. And to name - not one but three - pieces "Wound" simply leads one to reflect upon whether the intention of the man might have been to inflict them upon the unfortunate auditor. All sensible persons must take to their heels upon seeing such titles!

      The mystification continues with "Quartet No.6" - for surely that cannot be the name given the work by its composer. He would have written "String Quartet" (using the truncated modern orthography), or "Oboe Quartet" or "Tuba Quartet," even, would he not. (But actually it may be of assistance to Members to inform them that the phrase "String Quartet" does appear elsewhere, embedded in an obscure passage of the descriptive text.)

      We regret to say then that the whole programme in the form published by Radio Three reeks of failure! When will these modernists learn that their meaningless, horrid, or frivolous titles are driving potential listeners away in droves!

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      • Bryn
        Banned
        • Mar 2007
        • 24688

        #4
        One notes with disdain the misplacing of the opening suare bracket of "[sic]". It belongs immediately after the mistyped "to", with no space interposed.

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        • 3rd Viennese School

          #5
          What’s meaningless about the title Quartet no.6? Which I take as Ferneyhough’s 6th String Quartet.

          Wasn’t sure if Richard’s work was pronounced “Woond” or “ Wownd” on reading the Radio 3 schedules. As in winding the tape back.

          Rebbeca Saunders- Murmers- atmospheric title!?

          Anyway, I heard the show in the pub but would really need to hear it again or record it to get to grips with it.

          So Sydney. Any suggestions for re-titles?

          3VS

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          • MrGongGong
            Full Member
            • Nov 2010
            • 18357

            #6
            Originally posted by Sydney Grew View Post
            When will these modernists learn that their meaningless, horrid, or frivolous titles are driving potential listeners away in droves!


            Suggestions for meaningless, horrid and/or frivolous titles please (i find deciding what to call pieces hard sometimes and I have a few in the pipeline !)

            Surprise Symphony ?
            Jeux ?
            Enigma ?

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            • Bryn
              Banned
              • Mar 2007
              • 24688

              #7
              Well string quartet is daft enough. Are not 16 employed?

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              • aka Calum Da Jazbo
                Late member
                • Nov 2010
                • 9173

                #8
                Well string quartet is daft enough. Are not 16 employed?
                ...at least ...some go ping whether in the score or not ...is this improvisation?
                According to the best estimates of astronomers there are at least one hundred billion galaxies in the observable universe.

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                • MrGongGong
                  Full Member
                  • Nov 2010
                  • 18357

                  #9
                  maybe not improvisation
                  but
                  indeterminancy definitely

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                  • Sydney Grew
                    Banned
                    • Mar 2007
                    • 754

                    #10
                    Originally posted by 3rd Viennese School View Post
                    . . . So Sydney. Any suggestions for re-titles?
                    How about this then:

                    "Programme:

                    Rebecca SAUNDERS: Ignorence [sic] (UK Premiere)

                    Richard BARRETT: Horridness and Horridness Again (World Derniere)

                    Richard BARRETT: Horridness All Over

                    Brian FERNEYHOUGH: Sixth String Quartette (revised and corrected after the examples of Mozart and Scryabine so as to incorporate many new passages of intensity charm lyricism and profundity in the elevated poetico-mystical style which will define the taste of the coming century)"

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                    • 3rd Viennese School

                      #11
                      Or even “Ignorance”(sick)

                      I had a title a few years ago for a keyboard work. Quintet for Five Instruments!

                      3VS

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                      • MrGongGong
                        Full Member
                        • Nov 2010
                        • 18357

                        #12
                        played by the Thompson Twins ?

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                        • amateur51

                          #13
                          Originally posted by Sydney Grew View Post
                          How about this then:

                          "Programme:

                          Rebecca SAUNDERS: Ignorence [sic] (UK Premiere)

                          Richard BARRETT: Horridness and Horridness Again (World Derniere)

                          Richard BARRETT: Horridness All Over

                          Brian FERNEYHOUGH: Sixth String Quartette (revised and corrected after the examples of Mozart and Scryabine so as to incorporate many new passages of intensity charm lyricism and profundity in the elevated poetico-mystical style which will define the taste of the coming century)"
                          Nurse! The fugitive from r3OK is out of his bed AGAIN!

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                          • Sydney Grew
                            Banned
                            • Mar 2007
                            • 754

                            #14
                            In this sceptred isle it happens only too often that the uplifter of the public mind is baulked by a disinclination on the part of the public mind to meet him or her half-way.

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                            • JimD
                              Full Member
                              • Nov 2010
                              • 267

                              #15
                              Originally posted by amateur51 View Post
                              Nurse! The fugitive from r3OK is out of his bed AGAIN!
                              Well I'm pleased to see Syd. (As long as he doesn't want to be a Mod.)

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