.. the first casualty of politics is the truth

[jean]

He's talking about me.

[Richard Barrett]

I know who he's talking about. What he seems to be saying though is that it's "terrible" to err on the side of caution where there's possibly some anti-semitism going on.

[Beef Oven!]

What are you talking about?

How this thread has gone on a wild goose-chase about some perceived antisemitism, that was never there, but if it had been there, it'd been wrong, but if it isn't, then the perception was misplaced and will be withdrawn, but somehow the whole transaction isn't stupid, it being worthwhile. All carried out by normally sane people.

[Beef Oven!]

He's talking about me.

I'm not talking about you, I'm talking about us.

[Serial_Apologist]

I know who he's talking about. What he seems to be saying though is that it's "terrible" to err on the side of caution where there's possibly some anti-semitism going on.

If you understand the working class, his cryptic interjections will be clear to you, surely?

[Beef Oven!]

I know who he's talking about. What he seems to be saying though is that it's "terrible" to err on the side of caution where there's possibly some anti-semitism going on.

I think that what he's saying is that it's a bit silly to be spending time on politically correct fool's errands, when there is so much anti-semitism going on currently, with Jewish people in the UK for the first time in a long time, in real fear. And the irony is that the left are paralysed by political correctness and a fear of being blown up, to talk about it. But I can't claim to be an expert on what he's saying. But hey, let's err on the side of caution regarding anti-semitism (unless it's too difficult?).

[Richard Barrett]

the left are paralysed by political correctness and a fear of being blown up, to talk about it

Who are you referring to as "the left" this time?

[Beef Oven!]

Who are you referring to as "the left" this time?

Like that's the most important bit, FFS!!!!

[Richard Barrett]

Like that's the most important bit, FFS!!!!

Is that your answer?

[Beef Oven!]

Is that your answer?

The question being, is it a bit silly of the left (Faux et al) to be spending time on politically correct fool's errands, when there is so much anti-semitism going on currently, with Jewish people in the UK for the first time in a long time, in real fear. And the irony is that the left are paralysed by political correctness and a fear of being blown up, to talk about it. But I can't claim to be an expert on what he's saying. But hey, let's err on the side of caution regarding anti-semitism, unless it's too difficult?

I put the question, so it's for you to answer.

[aka Calum Da Jazbo]

my reading of the use of his middle name is not that it referred to any religious affiliation but to his impeccable toffness; a distancing piece of rudeness to further alienate him from the rest of us .... an effete aristocrat, quite possibly the second son misappropriate the wealth of the estates ...

he will not like this economic view:

http://www.theguardian.com/business/2014/dec/09/revealed-wealth-gap-oecd-report

The west’s leading economic thinktank on Tuesday dismissed the concept of trickle-down economics as it found that the UK economy would have been more than 20% bigger had the gap between rich and poor not widened since the 1980s.

and this is an embarrassing piece of classism by Lady Jenkin [now eating her own words]

http://www.theguardian.com/society/2014/dec/08/poor-cannot-cook-peer-eats-words

[Richard Barrett]

Gideon isn't his middle name. His name at birth was Gideon Oliver Osborne. He himself added the George later on because, in his own words, "life was easier as a George; it was a straightforward name".

[MrGongGong]

I think that what he's saying is that it's a bit silly to be spending time on politically correct fool's errands, when there is so much anti-semitism going on currently, with Jewish people in the UK for the first time in a long time, in real fear. And the irony is that the left are paralysed by political correctness and a fear of being blown up, to talk about it. But I can't claim to be an expert on what he's saying. But hey, let's err on the side of caution regarding anti-semitism (unless it's too difficult?).

How does one (a serious question) separate out REAL anti semitism from those who perceive it in all opposition to Israel?

[Beef Oven!]

How does one (a serious question) separate out REAL anti semitism from those who perceive it in all opposition to Israel?

Being in opposition to the state Israel does not make one anti-semitic, although George Galloway goes too far in my opinion and it was confidence-giving that the Police interviewed him under caution regarding his speech on Israel, recently.

It's when the views on Israel amount to incitement and/or create a nasty threatening atmosphere, where the problem is, IMV.

[Richard Barrett]

an embarrassing piece of classism by Lady Jenkin [now eating her own words]

Her "apology" however contains the statement "If people today had the cooking skills that previous generations had, none of us would be eating so much pre-prepared food."

Previous generations of course lived in a world in which many women didn't have jobs and people weren't caught up in a long-working-hours culture or having to work well over an hour's travelling distance from home thus having greatly more time for traditional housekeeping activities. She also extols the virtues of porridge, which of course is actually a pre-packaged food, and claims that a bowl of it costs 4p which may have been true forty years ago.