BaL 31.12.16 - Bruckner: Symphony no. 3 in D minor

**vinteuil** · 21-12-16, 18:19

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http://amzn.eu/2iZdpWt

**Nick Armstrong** · 21-12-16, 18:32

Originally posted by Eine Alpensinfonie View Post

Building a Library: Tom Service

I thought at least Building a Library was a safe zone...

**teamsaint** · 21-12-16, 18:40

Originally posted by Caliban View Post

I thought at least Building a Library was a safe zone...

I wouldn't worry just yet....
if he has a decent listen to that lot, he'll be good to go around about bonfire night, I should think.

**CallMePaul** · 21-12-16, 20:10

Originally posted by Eine Alpensinfonie View Post

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Building a Library: Tom Service recommends a version of Bruckner’s Symphony No. 3 in D minor.
Dedicated to his hero Wagner, the Third Symphony is a work which, even by Bruckner’s unhappy standards, cost him dear in setbacks, humiliation and confidence. One result was that Bruckner revised the symphony twice and, confusingly, a collector has to choose between at least three quite different versions.

I hope that TD will give a recommendation for each version. My preference usually tends towards Bruckner's first thoughts and I would therefore not be likely to choose the 1889 version of this symphony, rathert either the 1873 or 1876/7 versions. I have the Haitink 18977 on LP and the Jochum/ Dresden set which includes the 1889 version so am open to a CD recommendation for either of the erarlier versions.

**jayne lee wilson** · 21-12-16, 20:12

A collector doesn't of course have to choose between three different versions, she can of course (I would argue, "should", really more for pleasure than pedantry) get to know them and enjoy them all (perhaps learning to see what's wrong with one or two of them...

..).
But a surveying critic's task should certainly be to make at least two or three recommendations: one for 1873 (hopefully with an acknowledgement of the sole 1874 recording too, if only because the first movement especially is prime-vintage Bruckner) and one each for 1877-8 and 1889. As these last two editions are relatively similar both textually and experientially, one would perhaps suffice for both; but the 1889 orchestration is closer to that of the 1890 8th (a similar situation to the Linz and Vienna versions of No.1), and the finale is further cut and rewritten so this does need some comment.
See Griegel's summary here - http://www.bruckner.webs.com/versions.html#sym3
Marques - http://www.unicamp.br/~jmarques/mus/bruckner-e.htm#3

It's certainly quite a task for brave Tom!

My own current favourites for 1873 would be the later Blomstedt, both of Roger Norrington's recordings (with some preference for the SWR), Simone Young and - I suspect, if I revisited it - Inbal's World Premiere, whose 1887 8th I've been enjoying again recently. A slight lack of sonic refinement in the 1983 recording, but the Alte Oper acoustic is pleasingly spacious, and he likes to keep things moving. Very much to my present taste.
1874 can only be Gerd Schaller, but happily it is an excellent performance, beautifully recorded.

It shouldn't surprise anyone to hear that I've no real favourites for 1887/8 or 1889

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**BBMmk2** · 21-12-16, 20:16

I can't believe this!! This should be great! I have Simone Younge, Riccardo Chailly, Staatskapelle Dresden, Jochum.

**Eine Alpensinfonie** · 21-12-16, 20:51

Originally posted by Caliban View Post

I thought at least Building a Library was a safe zone...

Imagine it being a twofer.

There won't be much time for playing excerpts, unless of course he talks over the music.

**Eine Alpensinfonie** · 21-12-16, 20:55

It was a favourite work of Barbirolli. The Halle Concerts Society sold handkerchiefs embroidered with the opening of the symphony, plus JB's signature.

Barbirolli - Bruckner: Symphony No. 3 - Wagner: Tannhauser Overture & Venusberg Music

https://open.spotify.com/album/0hTcnYAUSLtM18RbAXeSAZ

Anton Bruckner · Single · 2011 · 5 songs.

**ferneyhoughgeliebte** · 21-12-16, 21:38

Originally posted by Caliban View Post

I thought at least Building a Library was a safe zone...

Ooh - I reckon this will be a good'un, Cali; Service's written work is insightful and engaging, and he'll have time to record this, so neither the gabbling delivery of the worst of his Music Matters work, nor the hyperbole-on-overtime of his Live concert presentations.

**Alison** · 21-12-16, 21:40

I hope we don't get too bogged down with versions. An outstanding performance of any of them is what I'm looking for most of all.

**ferneyhoughgeliebte** · 21-12-16, 21:46

Originally posted by CallMePaul View Post

I hope that TD will give a recommendation for each version.

Me, too - but Left a bit: it'a "TS".

My preference usually tends towards Bruckner's first thoughts and I would therefore not be likely to choose the 1889 version of this symphony, rathert either the 1873 or 1876/7 versions. I have the Haitink 18977 on LP and the Jochum/ Dresden set which includes the 1889 version so am open to a CD recommendation for either of the erarlier versions.

- I have Inbal and Tintner in the 1873 editions, and Karajan in some later version (many years ago, I once followed with the Nowak score of the 1889 edition, but it wasn't that - it corresponded more closely to what I remembered of the 1890 Rattig edition).

I don't find the "multiple versions" at all "confusing" - just more generous!

**Madame Suggia** · 21-12-16, 21:47

I've been enjoying Matačić's Bruckner on youtube recently.

I believe there's a recording of him conducting the 3rd.

**Nick Armstrong** · 21-12-16, 21:50

Originally posted by ferneyhoughgeliebte View Post

Ooh - I reckon this will be a good'un, Cali; Service's written work is insightful and engaging, and he'll have time to record this, so neither the gabbling delivery of the worst of his Music Matters work, nor the hyperbole-on-overtime of his Live concert presentations.

It's obviously your turn in the festive green dressing-gown, ferns!

**ferneyhoughgeliebte** · 21-12-16, 21:55

Originally posted by Madame Suggia View Post

I've been enjoying Matačić's Bruckner on youtube recently.
I believe there's a recording of him conducting the 3rd.

There is one with the Philharmonia Orchestra - only available used at premium prices these days - on BBC Legends. The cover isn't very helpful concerning which edition is being used, alas:

https://www.amazon.co.uk/d/Symphonies-Orchestras/Bruckner-Symphony-3-Anton/B00005Q5LO

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