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  • Roslynmuse
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    • Jun 2011
    • 1235

    Originally posted by cloughie View Post
    Is it Ravel or not?
    No! But one of his cantatas will give you a helpful title used by someone else.

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    • cloughie
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      • Dec 2011
      • 22107

      Originally posted by Roslynmuse View Post
      No! But one of his cantatas will give you a helpful title used by someone else.
      ..or perhaps not.

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      • Nick Armstrong
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        • Nov 2010
        • 26506

        Originally posted by Roslynmuse View Post
        No! But one of his cantatas will give you a helpful title used by someone else.


        "Myrrha" - 1901: André Caplet won with his version... Ravel came 3rd with his...
        "...the isle is full of noises,
        Sounds and sweet airs, that give delight and hurt not.
        Sometimes a thousand twangling instruments
        Will hum about mine ears, and sometime voices..."

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        • Roslynmuse
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          • Jun 2011
          • 1235

          Originally posted by Caliban View Post


          "Myrrha" - 1901: André Caplet won with his version... Ravel came 3rd with his...
          Nope!

          Think first and last.

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          • Nick Armstrong
            Host
            • Nov 2010
            • 26506

            Originally posted by Roslynmuse View Post
            Nope!
            Whaaaaa-aaaaaaaaa-aaaaaaat?!?!?!

            Might have to return to the fray in the morning.

            Meanwhile, Ă  propos the whipper-snapper Caplet, here's a pic of him and Debussy, for a quick overnight...

            ....CAPTION COMPETITION!!!




            My rather obvious contribution... Debussy: "Seems like a nice boy..."
            Last edited by Nick Armstrong; 12-11-12, 00:30. Reason: Adding lame caption
            "...the isle is full of noises,
            Sounds and sweet airs, that give delight and hurt not.
            Sometimes a thousand twangling instruments
            Will hum about mine ears, and sometime voices..."

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            • mercia
              Full Member
              • Nov 2010
              • 8920

              I didn't think of translating prodigal son

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              • Nick Armstrong
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                • Nov 2010
                • 26506

                Originally posted by mercia View Post
                I didn't think of translating prodigal son

                Is Caplet saying that, or Debussy?

                "...the isle is full of noises,
                Sounds and sweet airs, that give delight and hurt not.
                Sometimes a thousand twangling instruments
                Will hum about mine ears, and sometime voices..."

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                • mercia
                  Full Member
                  • Nov 2010
                  • 8920

                  Originally posted by Roslynmuse View Post
                  EDIT - 3rd prize in 1901? (Acc to Wiki)
                  seems to me that cali is right that Ravel won 3rd prize in 1901 with his version of Myrrha

                  since "kingfisher" is in the question, is the work we are looking for called martin-pecheur ?

                  how confusing, there's a Prix de Rome (Belgium) as well
                  Last edited by mercia; 12-11-12, 06:08.

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                  • mercia
                    Full Member
                    • Nov 2010
                    • 8920

                    Originally posted by Roslynmuse View Post
                    one of his cantatas will give you a helpful title used by someone else
                    Ravel cantatas - Callerhoe, Myrrha, Semiramis, Alyssa, Alcyone

                    Schmitt won in 1900 with Semiramis

                    can't find any kingfishers in Semiramis
                    Last edited by mercia; 12-11-12, 06:08.

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                    • Roslynmuse
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                      • Jun 2011
                      • 1235

                      Originally posted by mercia View Post
                      Ravel cantatas - Callerhoe, Myrrha, Semiramis, Alyssa, Alcyone
                      And the last one you list there is... ?

                      And the connection with Kingfishers is...?

                      Forget Belgium, but the Paris version of the Prix de Rome ran for 165 years!

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                      • cloughie
                        Full Member
                        • Dec 2011
                        • 22107

                        Originally posted by Roslynmuse View Post
                        And the last one you list there is... ?

                        And the connection with Kingfishers is...?

                        Forget Belgium, but the Paris version of the Prix de Rome ran for 165 years!
                        OK guys - do we all give in and succumb to the allures of that colourful fish catcher.

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                        • Roslynmuse
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                          • Jun 2011
                          • 1235

                          Originally posted by cloughie View Post
                          OK guys - do we all give in and succumb to the allures of that colourful fish catcher.
                          Honestly, Cloughie, at this stage the simplest Google search will lead you to the answer! Two words!

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                          • mercia
                            Full Member
                            • Nov 2010
                            • 8920

                            Originally posted by Roslynmuse View Post
                            And the last one you list there is... ?

                            And the connection with Kingfishers is...?
                            ah, sorry I didn't explore Alcyone because it wasn't listed as a Ravel cantata on wikipedia in my first search

                            anyway in Greek mythology Alcyone is a kingfisher hence the word halcyon

                            there's an opera Alcyone by Marin Marais (1656 - 1728), the opera dates from 1706

                            the Prix de Rome music prizes I think date from 1803, so I'm looking for another Alcyone which has won the Prix de Rome

                            sorry to be so stupid


                            EDIT - am I tying myself in knots ? Is it Ravel's Alcyone (1902) we're after ? which I think did not win a prize but was an entry for the prize. If I'm understanding the Prix de Rome correctly, each composer sets the same subject in the same year, so the winning Alcyone of 1902 was one by Ayme Kunc.

                            EDIT EDIT - totally confused now. on the wikipedia page for Ayme Kunc it says that Ravel won second prize in 1902 [presumably for Alcyone]. On wikipedia's Prix de Rome page it says second prize was won by Roger-Ducasse and third prize by Albert Bertelin


                            ....... and do we still need a Prix de Rome Ophelia, not by Berlioz ?
                            Last edited by mercia; 12-11-12, 09:27.

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                            • Roslynmuse
                              Full Member
                              • Jun 2011
                              • 1235

                              Originally posted by mercia View Post
                              ah, sorry I didn't explore Alcyone because it wasn't listed as a Ravel cantata on wikipedia in my first search

                              anyway in Greek mythology Alcyone is a kingfisher hence the word halcyon

                              there's an opera Alcyone by Marin Marais (1656 - 1728), the opera dates from 1706

                              the Prix de Rome music prizes I think date from 1803, so I'm looking for another Alcyone which has won the Prix de Rome

                              sorry to be so stupid


                              And to save you wading through every year, look at my clue at msg 27574!

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                              • mercia
                                Full Member
                                • Nov 2010
                                • 8920

                                Originally posted by Roslynmuse View Post
                                look at my clue at msg 27574!
                                first and last, meaning presumably the historically "first" prize of 1803 and last of 1968

                                Albert Androt ? Alain Louvier ?

                                is this answering the Ophelia part of the question ?


                                [don't know whether you saw the edits to my last post]


                                EDIT - Berlioz first met and fell in love with Harriet Smithson when she was playing Ophelia, but I don't think this is what you're after
                                Last edited by mercia; 12-11-12, 09:38.

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