Trashing Sublimity- The Heptonstall-Derham problem
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Originally posted by Eine Alpensinfonie View PostI agree that this kind of comment is very much "below the belt".
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Originally posted by french frank View PostAs for Calum's street urchin feeling: I accepted a schoolfriend's invitation to have 'a spot of lunch at the golf club'. When I turned up in my as per usual, I wasn't allowed into the clubhouse because I was clad in blue denim jeans . My friend had been wearing khaki denim jeans for the round of golf which was apparently okay.
I gather I was the talk of the school reunion (to which I did not go) a few weeks later
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Originally posted by Petrushka View PostThere is no God-given right for the Proms to be broadcast on TV at all and I think we should be grateful to the BBC for continuing to do so.
The same goes for the heavily subsidised Covent Garden, for example. I think that all performances should be televised so that those who cannot attend due to distance or cost etc are given an opportunity to see and hear what their money is being spent on.
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Originally posted by Segilla View PostBut there is there not a justifiable right to have such broadcasts where we the public pay the BBC licence fee?"The sound is the handwriting of the conductor" - Bernard Haitink
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Sometimes Cavatina's posts are about music, sometimes they're not, but they are typically thoughtful and interesting.
Similarly many of your posts are on musical subjects and they too are typically interesting, but I would be surprised if you wished to maintain that you don't also make a significant number of posts with the intention of provoking a response.
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BBC Two presentation isn't aimed at a knowledgeable Radio 3 audience. And the thing about television is that you can turn the sound down until the music is about to start. That's rather hit-and-miss with radio.
And talk about 'trashing sublimity': anyone noticed the iPlayer Proms panel by the picture of Martyn Brabbins?
"Proms 2011
Find out what's on at this years Prom's"
Last edited by french frank; 22-08-11, 20:39.It isn't given us to know those rare moments when people are wide open and the lightest touch can wither or heal. A moment too late and we can never reach them any more in this world.
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Lateralthinking1
I have been a little surprised at some of the phraseology on Radio 3 during the Proms. Some will know that I don't have any particular problem with a very wide range of styles but I do like things to look and sound appropriate to context.
I have already heard one piece of music described as "having a groove" and in the introduction to another one presenter said "time then to go over to the action". I felt in the latter case that he was gearing up for commentary on the Olympics.
I would also welcome clarification from the knowledgeable on whether it has always been commonplace to describe a group of classical musicians as "the band".
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Originally posted by Lateralthinking1 View PostI would also welcome clarification from the knowledgeable on whether it has always been commonplace to describe a group of classical musicians as "the band".
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Just as I posted my last message I remembered where to find this account of one of Haydn's London concerts:-
"The first Subscription Concert took place last Friday, at Hanover Square.
"The established musical judges present all agreed that it went off with surprising effect and rigid exactness. No Band in the world can go better."
(The Times, 20 February 1792)
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Mandryka
I know a few classical musicians who have adopted 'rock/jazz' terminology. They play 'in a band' and 'do gigs'. Orchestral percussionists are 'trap-rattlers' and when the soloist in a concertos does his/her thing, they are said to 'go off on one'.
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Originally posted by rauschwerk View Post"The first Subscription Concert took place last Friday, at Hanover Square. The established musical judges present all agreed that it went off with surprising effect and rigid exactness. No Band in the world can go better."
Professionals have their own jargon/usage which gradually spreads. I think for the BBC/R3, it's a deliberate case of hauling classical music off its perceived pedestal.It isn't given us to know those rare moments when people are wide open and the lightest touch can wither or heal. A moment too late and we can never reach them any more in this world.
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