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  • oddoneout
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    • Nov 2015
    • 8534

    Originally posted by LMcD View Post

    Sorry - I didn't realize the stone doorway belonged to the warden.
    I decided not to raise that as well! I hadn't noticed at first reading but when I tracked the article down for posting here it caught my eye. Reinforces my suggestion that, regardless of the "whose" issue, it could have been better phrased.

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    • Pulcinella
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      • Feb 2014
      • 10130

      Originally posted by LMcD View Post

      Sorry - I didn't realize the stone doorway belonged to the warden.
      I hadn't twigged either; as ooo points out, that does make the whole sentence somewhat infelicitously written! No problem with whose for a thing. But whose whose is it?
      Do we need to consult Who's Who?

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      • LMcD
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        • Sep 2017
        • 7534

        Originally posted by Pulcinella View Post

        I hadn't twigged either; as ooo points out, that does make the whole sentence somewhat infelicitously written! No problem with whose for a thing. But whose whose is it?
        Do we need to consult Who's Who?
        Don't you mean 'Who's Whom'?

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        • Serial_Apologist
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          • Dec 2010
          • 36724

          Originally posted by LMcD View Post

          Don't you mean 'Who's Whom'?
          To whom it may concern,,,

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          • LMcD
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            • Sep 2017
            • 7534

            I'm not sure what the precise term is for a phrase such as 'they arrived in a triumph and motor car', which I remember from an English lesson back in the 1950s as an example of what not to say or write, but I was reminded of it this morning when our local weather forecaster told us that heavier showers would arrive in later in the afternoon. 'Arrive in what?' I wondered, and am still wondering.

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            • smittims
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              • Aug 2022
              • 3217

              I was always irritated by 'I met up with Mrs. Johnson' instead of 'I met Mrs. Johnson'.

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              • Pulcinella
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                • Feb 2014
                • 10130

                Originally posted by LMcD View Post
                I'm not sure what the precise term is for a phrase such as 'they arrived in a triumph and motor car', which I remember from an English lesson back in the 1950s as an example of what not to say or write, but I was reminded of it this morning when our local weather forecaster told us that heavier showers would arrive in later in the afternoon. 'Arrive in what?' I wondered, and am still wondering.
                Zeugma:

                Miss Bolo [...] went straight home, in a flood of tears and a sedan-chair." (Charles Dickens, The Pickwick Papers, Chapter 35)​

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                • Pulcinella
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                  • Feb 2014
                  • 10130

                  Originally posted by smittims View Post
                  I was always irritated by 'I met up with Mrs. Johnson' instead of 'I met Mrs. Johnson'.
                  Americans (or maybe Canadians or both) 'visit with'.

                  I had a nice visit with Mrs Smith.

                  I always wondered who (whom?) or what they visited!

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                  • oddoneout
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                    • Nov 2015
                    • 8534

                    Originally posted by Pulcinella View Post

                    Americans (or maybe Canadians or both) 'visit with'.

                    I had a nice visit with Mrs Smith.

                    I always wondered who (whom?) or what they visited!
                    Used more in N America, and indicates a sociable occasion rather than just calling in, apparently. One reference said that it was current in 19thC Britain and occurs in the writings of Ruskin and George Eliot. As with other examples of American English it is possible that what we now dislike is just a remnant of a form of English that was taken to the New World and continued there, but passed in to disuse in this country.
                    Other forms of speech that may irritate are originally dialect/regional/cultural that have passed into wider usage - not always in their original meaning.

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                    • Pulcinella
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                      • Feb 2014
                      • 10130

                      Originally posted by oddoneout View Post

                      Used more in N America, and indicates a sociable occasion rather than just calling in, apparently. One reference said that it was current in 19thC Britain and occurs in the writings of Ruskin and George Eliot. As with other examples of American English it is possible that what we now dislike is just a remnant of a form of English that was taken to the New World and continued there, but passed in to disuse in this country.
                      Other forms of speech that may irritate are originally dialect/regional/cultural that have passed into wider usage - not always in their original meaning.
                      Friends originally from Massachusetts, subsequently met in Canada, so I did wonder at its provenance.

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                      • LMcD
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                        • Sep 2017
                        • 7534

                        Originally posted by Pulcinella View Post

                        Zeugma:

                        Miss Bolo [...] went straight home, in a flood of tears and a sedan-chair." (Charles Dickens, The Pickwick Papers, Chapter 35)​

                        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zeugma_and_syllepsis
                        Thank you! I must have been introduced to litotes and synecdoche at around the same time..
                        It occurred to me that if the showers mentioned in the forecast are frequent and numerous, they will arrive in droves.

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                        • french frank
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                          • Feb 2007
                          • 29408

                          Originally posted by LMcD View Post
                          heavier showers would arrive in later in the afternoon. 'Arrive in what?' I wondered, and am still wondering.
                          A flood of tears and a sedan chair? Our example for zeugma was 'He pocketed the money and the insult.'
                          It isn't given us to know those rare moments when people are wide open and the lightest touch can wither or heal. A moment too late and we can never reach them any more in this world.

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                          • oddoneout
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                            • Nov 2015
                            • 8534

                            Originally posted by LMcD View Post

                            Thank you! I must have been introduced to litotes and synecdoche at around the same time..
                            It occurred to me that if the showers mentioned in the forecast are frequent and numerous, they will arrive in droves.
                            Driven by Hugh the drover?

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                            • LMcD
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                              • Sep 2017
                              • 7534

                              While waiting to cross the road this morning, I spotted a local carpenter's van with a large advertisement on its side offering 'NO OBLIGATION QUOTE'S'

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                              • vinteuil
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                                • Nov 2010
                                • 12386

                                Originally posted by LMcD View Post
                                While waiting to cross the road this morning, I spotted a local carpenter's van with a large advertisement on its side offering 'NO OBLIGATION QUOTE'S'
                                ... pleased to say that here in Shepherd's Bush we still have a glass and mirror shop that advertises its services as - Picture Framers's

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