R3 in Concert one-stop shop

[french frank]

As far as I can see most of next week's concerts are recorded; just Thursday's will be live. There was quite an outcry - and an Early Day Motion in Parliament - a few years back when RW announced that evening concerts would be recorded and broadcast 'as live' (and slightly edited to shoehorn them into a fixed slot). Has this been the case for some time?

https://www.theguardian.com/culture/charlottehigginsblog/2011/feb/17/radio-3-live-concerts

[Roger Webb]

The handover wasn't live - the concert was recorded a few days ago.

Yes I see that now, but it was a bit amateurish, also, the link announcer tonight had the most boring voice in captivity!

[oddoneout]

The handover wasn't live - the concert was recorded a few days ago.

Well I missed the point at which we went from mixtape(weekday version) to WAM mixtape and assumed that it was a live cock-up. If it was a recorded event then what's the excuse?
Now for trying to get my head straight. I know that concerts in olden days were done differently, but did that really include cutting and pasting a symphony around 2 concertos and a few other bits and pieces? Is this part of the getting a new audience drive and if so what would they take away from this car crash if they were listening?
I confess I didn't help myself by falling asleep shortly before the end of the K175 piano concerto and waking up during the post concert Schubert piano filler - and wondering where the orchestra had gone...
As a way of celebrating 75 years of the London Mozart Players I felt it left something to be desired.

[LMcD]

Well I missed the point at which we went from mixtape(weekday version) to WAM mixtape and assumed that it was a live cock-up. If it was a recorded event then what's the excuse?
Now for trying to get my head straight. I know that concerts in olden days were done differently, but did that really include cutting and pasting a symphony around 2 concertos and a few other bits and pieces? Is this part of the getting a new audience drive and if so what would they take away from this car crash if they were listening?
I confess I didn't help myself by falling asleep shortly before the end of the K175 piano concerto and waking up during the post concert Schubert piano filler - and wondering where the orchestra had gone...
As a way of celebrating 75 years of the London Mozart Players I felt it left something to be desired.

This concert was presented as a recreation of the 1783 concert at which the Haffner symphony was premiered, so the cutting and pasting are 'authentic' and in accordance with Mozart's instructions. Whether that makes for a satisfactory experience for a modern-day audience is open to question, I suppose.

[Roger Webb]

This concert was presented as a recreation of the 1783 concert at which the Haffner symphony was premiered, so the cutting and pasting are 'authentic' and in accordance with Mozart's instructions. Whether that makes for a satisfactory experience for a modern-day audience is open to question, I suppose.

Quite, when Franz Clement gave the première of the Beethoven violin concerto, not only did he improvise the cadenza, but then entertained the enthusiastic audience with an impromptu display of his virtuoso technique by playing the violin upside down - and this between the 1st and 2nd movts! I'd love to have seen that, but every time it's performed?

[Roger Webb]

I suppose one of the biggest gaps between the first three movts. being played and the last is Walton's 1st. Harty gave the first three in Dec 1934 and finale in Sept 1935! And I bet there are other examples.

[oddoneout]

This concert was presented as a recreation of the 1783 concert at which the Haffner symphony was premiered, so the cutting and pasting are 'authentic' and in accordance with Mozart's instructions. Whether that makes for a satisfactory experience for a modern-day audience is open to question, I suppose.

Thanks LMcD. I think I must have missed some relevant bits of Petroc's contribution about the concert. I did try searching last night but my brain power wasn't up to it - should really have gone to bed rather than stayed online! I have done better today and seen that the concert format was indeed something rather unfamiliar to modern eyes.

[oddoneout]

Did anyone hear Wednesday's concert, with the Finale from Michael Haydn's Symphony No 28 played before Mozart's Jupiter symphony in the second half? The conductor Joshua Weilerstein included it because of the influence it appears to have had on Mozart's composing, and the resulting similarities in the music between the two works. He explained it well, such that even my not very technical ears could identify what he meant.

[Ein Heldenleben]

The Stephen Osborne Emperor Concerto in tonight’s BBC Phil concert is well worth catching . Some beautifully judged dynamics - daring pianissimos and fine touch - a really excellent performance.

[silvestrione]

The Stephen Osborne Emperor Concerto in tonight’s BBC Phil concert is well worth catching . Some beautifully judged dynamics - daring pianissimos and fine touch - a really excellent performance.

Agreed!

[Ein Heldenleben]

Excellent week thus far on In Concert - a quite superb resplendent Bruckner 7 last night from the BBC Phil and Anja Bihlmaier and tonight a wonderful, lustrous RVW 5th from Pappano and the LSO.
In Concert is becoming an absolute must listen.

[Roger Webb]

Excellent week thus far on In Concert - a quite superb resplendent Bruckner 7 last night from the BBC Phil and Anja Bihlmaier and tonight a wonderful, lustrous RVW 5th from Pappano and the LSO.
In Concert is becoming an absolute must listen.

Agree entirely for both works, that was a lovely VW 5th, and as you say the Bruckner last night was quite excellent. It used to be that the only programmes left that I regularly listened to were the lunchtime and evening concerts, now it's just the evening - I'm always rather torn between WDR3, France Musique, BR and NPO, all of which start at 7.00 and Radio 3 which starts at 7.30. Tonight I was able to hear Stephen Osbourne playing Moments Musicaux on NPO and turn over exactly on que for the Ravel in G....Chamayou was tremendous too - all in all a good evening!

[Ein Heldenleben]

Agree entirely for both works, that was a lovely VW 5th, and as you say the Bruckner last night was quite excellent. It used to be that the only programmes left that I regularly listened to were the lunchtime and evening concerts, now it's just the evening - I'm always rather torn between WDR3, France Musique, BR and NPO, all of which start at 7.00 and Radio 3 which starts at 7.30. Tonight I was able to hear Stephen Osbourne playing Moments Musicaux on NPO and turn over exactly on que for the Ravel in G....Chamayou was tremendous too - all in all a good evening!

Yes Chamayou tonight was magnificent and then last night Osbourne’s wonderful Emperor by turns elegiac then triumphant - all in all unmissable.

[Roger Webb]

Yes Chamayou tonight was magnificent and then last night Osbourne’s wonderful Emperor by turns elegiac then triumphant - all in all unmissable.

I don't know how you listen, or whether you listen to other stations ( some of those listed above perhaps), but Radio 3's engineering (on the 320kb/s stream) - tonight's and last night's are good examples - is some of the, if not the best around. Particularly the Barbican sound tonight...Chamayou's piano was perfectly balanced, and the bass drum nearly put my windows out!

[Ein Heldenleben]

I don't know how you listen, or whether you listen to other stations ( some of those listed above perhaps), but Radio 3's engineering (on the 320kb/s stream) - tonight's and last night's are good examples - is some of the, if not the best around. Particularly the Barbican sound tonight...Chamayou's piano was perfectly balanced, and the bass drum nearly put my windows out!

I’m on hols and believe it or not listening on a £55 Jam Heavy Metal all -in -one speaker (but 320 kbps). And it still sounded good . Must re - listen on the KEFs on my return.