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  • antongould
    Full Member
    • Nov 2010
    • 8780

    So presumably you meant to say " ....some of whom..... are not even listening,,,,,,,"? as you yourself are, I presume, not listening.

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    • french frank
      Administrator/Moderator
      • Feb 2007
      • 30243

      Originally posted by antongould View Post
      So presumably you meant to say " ....some of whom..... are not even listening,,,,,,,"? as you yourself are, I presume, not listening.
      No, I was referring to the new listeners that Radio 3 wishes to attract, not the ones who are already listening to the station.

      I was saying that the new listeners that Radio 3 was aiming to attract were not yet listening, even though the programme had been tailored specially to attract them (referring to changes that begin next Monday).
      It isn't given us to know those rare moments when people are wide open and the lightest touch can wither or heal. A moment too late and we can never reach them any more in this world.

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      • antongould
        Full Member
        • Nov 2010
        • 8780

        Silly me - a thousand apologies.

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        • french frank
          Administrator/Moderator
          • Feb 2007
          • 30243

          Originally posted by antongould View Post
          Silly me - a thousand apologies.
          Not at all. I had a feeling you still thought of yourself as a 'new listener'. Going to have to move up soon, anton
          It isn't given us to know those rare moments when people are wide open and the lightest touch can wither or heal. A moment too late and we can never reach them any more in this world.

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          • antongould
            Full Member
            • Nov 2010
            • 8780

            No still very new - a long, but I have no doubt very rewarding, way to go.

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            • salymap
              Late member
              • Nov 2010
              • 5969

              Don't 'come the innocent' Anton. you know a lot more about music than you think you do. I've seen some of your posts, not to me but on general musical topics. Don't be modest.

              Oh, Good morning,by the way.

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              • Norfolk Born

                Originally posted by Bax-of-Delights View Post
                Here's Monday's offerings:
                06:31
                Telemann
                Fanfare from Suite in D major TWV 55 D:18
                Akademie für Alte Musik Berlin
                Harmonia Mundi HMX 2901795
                Tr. 13

                06:34
                Parry
                I was glad
                Choir of Winchester Cathedral
                Waynflete Singers
                Bournemouth Symphony Orchestra
                David Hill
                Argo 430 836-2
                Tr. 1

                06:42
                Faure
                Dolly - suite for piano duet (Op.56), no.1; Berceuse
                Katia & Marielle Labeque [piano]
                Philips 420 1592
                Tr. 13

                06:45
                Brahms
                Academic festival overture (Op.80)
                Berlin Philharmonic
                Claudio Abbado
                DG 435 6832
                Tr. 1

                07:03
                Bernstein
                Mambo from West Side Story
                Simon Bolivar Youth Orchestra of Venezuela
                Gustavo Dudamel [conductor]
                DG 477 8337
                Tr. 11

                07:06
                Claude DEBUSSY
                Images - no.1; Reflets dans l'eau
                Pierre-Laurent Aimard [piano]
                Warner 8573 83940-2
                Tr. 1

                07:11
                Marin Marais
                Sonnerie de St Genevieve du Mont de Paris
                Le Concert des Nations
                Jordi Savall [bass viol and direction]
                Alia Vox AV 9821
                Tr. 16

                07:20
                Delibes
                Les Chasseresses from Sylvia
                New Philharmonia Orchestra
                Richard Bonynge [conductor]
                Decca 478 1526
                CD8 Tr. 15

                07:31
                Vivaldi
                L’Olimpiade RV 725 (Sinfonia)
                Orfeo 55
                Nathalie Stutzmann [director]
                DG 476 4390
                Tr. 15-17

                07:37
                Chopin
                Nocturne Op 27 no 2
                Maria Joao Pires [piano]
                DG 477 8445
                CD7 Tr. 8

                07:44
                Shostakovich
                Festival Overture Op 96
                Russian National Orchestra
                Mikhail Pletnev [conductor]
                DG 439 8922
                Tr. 3

                07:53
                Haydn
                Symphony no.104 (H.1.104) in D major "London", 4th movement; Finale
                Les Musiciens du Louvre-Grenobles
                Marc Minkowski [conductor]
                Naïve V 5176
                Tr. 12

                08:03
                Copland
                Hoedown from Rodeo
                San Francisco Symphony Orchestra
                Michael Tilson Thomas [conductor]
                RCA 09026635112
                Tr. 6

                08:07
                Pergolesi
                Stabat Mater
                The Academy of Ancient Music
                Emma Kirkby [soprano]
                ames Bowman [counter tenor]
                Christopher Hogwood [conductor]
                L'Oiseau-Lyre 425 692-2
                Tr. 1

                08:12
                Mozart
                Divertimento K251: 1st mvt: Allegro molto
                Scottish Chamber Orchestra
                Alexander Janiczek [director]
                LINN CKD 320
                Tr. 10

                08:17
                Rachmaninov
                Concerto for piano and orchestra no. 2 (Op. 18) in C minor: 2nd mvt - Adagio Sostenuto
                Simon Trpceski [piano]
                Royal Liverpool Philharmonic
                Vasily Petrenko [conductor]
                Avie AV 2192
                Tr. 2

                08:31
                Bach
                Gloria from Mass in F major BWV 233
                Chorus and Orchestra of Collegium Vocale Ghent
                Philippe Herreweghe [director]
                Virgin 6 28481 2 1
                CD1 Tr. 2

                08:37
                Elgar
                Where Corals lie from Sea Pictures
                Dame Janet Baker
                London Symphony Orchestra
                Sir John Barbirolli [conductor]
                Philips 465 253-2
                Tr. 2

                08:42
                Sibelius
                Symphony No 5 – 3rd mvt (Finale)
                Oslo Philharmonic Orchestra
                Maris Jansons [conductor]
                Label tbc
                Tr. tbc


                A confection of (very) familiar pieces and bleeding chunks tumbled together into a cake of unutterable blandness that would sit well in CFM schedules at any time of the day or night.

                It so happens that I am handling (for the estate) the library of books and CDs of a late and dear customer of mine. The Cds number into thousands (gulp!) and I am having a marvellous weekend opening box after box of fascinating material. What has struck me about the material among the CDs is how LITTLE of it we ever hear on R3. Here is a recording of Rubbra's Four Medieval Latin Lyrics using the same texts as the Orff Carmina Burana - but how much more delicate and intriguing is the Rubbra!! And the beautiful Spenser sonnets. Any of these would be perfect material for the Breakfast programme yet we get the same old, same old, rehashed and regurgitated week after week.
                Excuse me ... are you SURE you haven't posted the CFM breakfast schedule in error?

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                • french frank
                  Administrator/Moderator
                  • Feb 2007
                  • 30243

                  One thing about the future Breakfast playlists to bear in mind: Rob won't be there any more. Okay, no rucksack, but also his expertise will be gone. What will the Breakfast production team be like? Actually, I don't think there is much of a team - just the presenter and the producer (of whom little is ever known). I can't see Petroc putting together much of a programme without help.

                  I think they will get in a computer (if they haven't already) to generate a selection to fit the timings - it's much more flexible when you can read two, three, four &c. emails out, however many you need.

                  And the problem is that the new listeners will NEVER know what they missed back in the heady days when the breakfast prog. was listenable and fairly stimulating. Just think! they will never have heard a breakfast programme without trails and listener contributions. All they'll have to compare it with is Chris Evans (&c) ...
                  It isn't given us to know those rare moments when people are wide open and the lightest touch can wither or heal. A moment too late and we can never reach them any more in this world.

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                  • mercia
                    Full Member
                    • Nov 2010
                    • 8920

                    All they'll have to compare it with
                    can't they compare it with the rest of the day's output which doesn't have (so many) trails or listener contributions

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                    • vinteuil
                      Full Member
                      • Nov 2010
                      • 12788

                      Roland White has a small piece in the Sunday Times about the dilemma of Radio 3 and the disquiet the proposed Breakfast phone-ins and chats are causing... making a comparison with Radio 1 - "Our Tune, the Radio 1 feature in which Simon Bates read out a listener’s story of happiness turning to tragedy and the music associated with it (“duh duh da da... and as she emerged from the combine harvester, neatly baled and stacked... duh duh duh daar... the radio was playing Drink up Thy Zider, by Adge Cutler and the Wurzels”). Our Tune was awful; nonetheless, it proved so popular that Bates went on to do something similar for Classic FM."

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                      • Roehre

                        Originally posted by vinteuil View Post
                        yes, I find it odd that of the hundreds (more than six hundred, I think?) of Schubert Lieder we hear, again and again, perhaps the same dozen - and of the hundreds of Bach organ works (what, two hundred or so?) we hear, again and again, the same handful - but mostly just the one, weakest, piece, of doubtful attribution....

                        I love Schubert Lieder and Bach organ works. Doesn't the BBC have people of sufficient imagination and range to move away from the corny 'hundred best tunes'?
                        No, it seems not. Who can programme these other delicacies if they don't know these themselves

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                        • french frank
                          Administrator/Moderator
                          • Feb 2007
                          • 30243

                          Originally posted by mercia View Post
                          can't they compare it with the rest of the day's output which doesn't have (so many) trails or listener contributions
                          Indeed they can. But the battle over whether one absolutely has to have froth and fun and heart-warming human interest at breakfast time, along with some interval musical, has long been lost.

                          This discussion always takes place on the false premise that it either has to be triviality heaped upon triviality or three hours (now two and a half) of Wagner. My point was that new listeners have never heard the Middle Way which, given the depths to which Breakfast is sinking, would nowadays be quite acceptable, though no great shakes, to those with longer memories.
                          It isn't given us to know those rare moments when people are wide open and the lightest touch can wither or heal. A moment too late and we can never reach them any more in this world.

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                          • mercia
                            Full Member
                            • Nov 2010
                            • 8920

                            the battle .......... has long been lost
                            not really worth banging one's head against the proverbial [brick wall] anymore then
                            Last edited by mercia; 11-09-11, 12:31. Reason: clarifying my obscure prose style

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                            • antongould
                              Full Member
                              • Nov 2010
                              • 8780

                              Originally posted by mercia View Post
                              not really worth banging one's head against the proverbial anymore then
                              I don't think it (the banging) will stop - hence the title of the thread.

                              I did on odd occasions in my earlier years listen to the Third Programme at Breakfast and did honestly find it too much of a leap - but I promise to keep quiet for a while FF tells me I have taken over "your" station ( by accident I promise! ) and so I should, I suppose, be happy and silent.

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                              • antongould
                                Full Member
                                • Nov 2010
                                • 8780

                                Originally posted by salymap View Post
                                Don't 'come the innocent' Anton. you know a lot more about music than you think you do. I've seen some of your posts, not to me but on general musical topics. Don't be modest.

                                Oh, Good morning,by the way.
                                Sorry my silence didn't last long - but when my "mentor" calls -

                                Morning to you - I am still terribly innocent in terms of the general level of these Boards but thanks to people like your good self - I progress a little day by day...............

                                To save another post in another place - we have sunshine!!!!!!
                                Last edited by antongould; 11-09-11, 10:42. Reason: weather report

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